AIDS- 25 years later

[Lawless]

Granted there could be governments and corporate entities with the hatred and resources to have developed AIDS. However there are more than few such entities that would have the desire to find a cure. If such a cure existed someone by now would have at the least leaked it to the general public.

I honestly wouldn't put it past the US government to have created it but to create a disease that ignores all races is really piss-poor planning for population control. Granting that maybe they'd want to 'wipe-out' a specific group, the carry over or bridge to another demographics was unavoidable. Sooner or later the creators of such a disease are bound to get themselves sick. Ideally if such an agency is going to engage in a covert population control it would want to have a level of control over whatever method they would use. As AIDS in its short time in public eye has proven capable of evolving into different strains it could prove to be 'immune' to whatever controls its creator have. As population control has typically been a scenario reserved for the rich/powerful (the few) to exert control over the weak/poor (the many) a disease the mutates and is capable of killing everyone could be an excerise in wholesale genocide.

Even if it AIDS was created or not sooner or later some pandemic or another was bound to rear it's ugly head such as the bird flu. Mother Nature is just bound to decide to exercise some population control of her own. While it is debatable that there are enough resources to provide food, clothes, shelter to every man woman and child on the earth, that is not in fact the status quo. AIDS could very easily be a biological 'event' that was bound to happen.

[Jackpot]

Well, I looked around the web, outside your one source using most all the names and programs and such I could and found very, very little information supporting what was written in there.

As follows from Wikipedia, and sites found with Google (too lazy to link em all):

Dr. Joseph Kinyoun was a dedicated researcher of the causes of epidemic diseases, and he worked hard to help end the Barbary Plague in San Francisco in the first decade of the 20th century. He was more than likely not a racist seeing that much of his efforts were for a predominantly Asian population afflicted.

Mycoplasmas are small bacteria without cell walls that can be harmful to humans, but most often in the form of pneumonia. I saw nothing correlating it with AIDs or similar diseases. And though I personally am no biologist, I do not believe they would be useful as a 'transmitory agent' because usually when one cell is used to carry something from another cell, it has a wall to keep it in, for example in artificial insemination when can be blanked and genetic information can be controllably inserted, but these cells have walls, or at least membranes. The real thing was 'reverse transcriptase' involving enzymes in cells, and also known as 'species jumping' which can create viruses detrimental to the human immune system, but a connection wit hthem and AIDs has only been suggested, no RESEARCH has proven that AIDs could be developed as such.

Federation of American Society for Experimental Biology exists to this day and IS a part of the cure, not a cause.

The influenza virus affected the entire world, it was a known disease before the 1918 pandemic, but was more prevalent due to poor conditions in WWI, harsh winters, and genetic shift. The influenza was NOT altered by man at that time. And the fact that whoever the person was used the term 'human primate' leads me to question everything he has to say.

Nearly none of the names on the site seem to be well-documented despite being 'nefarious doctors' or 'authors' or 'publishers'.

Operation Paperclip did not include biological testing; it was chemical and technological, mostly tests on ballistics and missiles. Much of the results of this operation are now public knowledge.

I found nothing on State Department George McKennan's so called eugenics supporting ideology.

The Visna virus is the equivelent of HIV in sheep, that is why it is similar.

Carlton Gajdusek researched kulu (in New Guinea) and mad cow disease, which although degenerative, are not particularly related to AIDs.

I found nothing about the Special Virus campaign outside of websites, mostly following the doctrines set forth by this one, which was the work of one Boyd E. Graves who is no more than a civil suits lawyer and once navy officer suing over the accountability of the US Govt. to the AIDs virus, I wonder if maybe there is profit in it for him? He has no medical, genetic, or biological bg. But a legitimate look into the matter has been taken by the US Govt. since after 9/11 in 2001. It has been 5 yrs. and nothing new has been found, Graves and his supporters have introduced little to no additional evidence.

The CIA's Technical Service Division deals with gadgets, disguises, forgeries, secret writings, weapons, and research on interrogation methods. NOT medical diseases, their corresponding drugs and what have you.

John D. Rockefeller III was a member of the prominent family and was not tied in with the govt. although his son was a Sen. but he died in 1978, less than a decade after he was claimed to have been 'population czar', he was 64-72 in those yrs.

Dr. Robert Gallo's research into HIV/AIDs was highly successful, but clouded by monkey origins.

The USSR would have no reason to make a pact with the US to eradicate the Black Population seeing as such a population is minute in Russia/former USSR and the two nations were still involved in the Cold War in 1960-1970. Also, Nikita Kruschev was an outspoken UN Rep. from the USSR who ultimately had little effect, was not on friendly terms with the US, and did not have connections with such reasearch or racist goals. Also, if the pact pertained to Africa, the AIDs epidemic in Africa and the US are believed to have occurred seperately.

Is that enough research?

I did not mean that there were not people who would support the idea, but just not people with the power and authority to carry it out. The Nazi research as I pointed out before on American soil was NOT medical, biological, or genetic.

Like I said in the previous post, I definitely agree that AIDs more than likely has existed for centuries, and I don't doubt it has been researched, but I do not believe it has been cultivated nor purposefully released on any facet of the American population. AIDs was doubtfully created for use against blacks and homosexuals because it is equally transmittable among races and sexual orientations. Not to mention, it was already known that sickle cell anemia was extremely detrimental to people of African descent, especially outside fo Africa (where it does benefit in protecting against malaria). Also, hepatitus B was already doing severe damage to the more noticeable gay community, only due to a recognizable promiscuity (I do not mean all gays are promiscuous or other people did not contract the disease, just that promiscuous gays were suffering the disease), which is why experimental cures were used COINCIDENTALLY at the same time as HIV/AIDs became serious.

HIV/AIDs in the US and in humans is believed to be sseperate from the disorder in primates. And the part of Gallo relating to primates and HIV/AIDs took place AFTER the 1972 administered drug.

And around the time of the occurance, both the Civil Rights Movement and the Sexual Revolution had been successes and people were already gaining significant equality and amalgamation with American general understanding. A government leader would be a fool to tie himself in with such research in modern times as support for such a thing would be exponentialy plummeting and the reprecussions and risks would be massive. Starting with JFK and LBJ in the 60s, these two men did large amounts (esp. LBJ) for rights movements, especially for African Americans and America was swinging towards such a manner in unison. Then Nixon, Ford, and Carter I hardly see the intent of such an atrocity on any of them, nor do their terms of office reflect any reason to believe such. Yes, AIDs was used as anti-gay propaganda, but that means only that belligerent people (esp. in the South, esp. 'strongly' religious individuals) treated it as such. It is not a judge of the character of Nixon who could not do anything about because there was at least SOME opposition, he didn't want to take a side on a divided matter which could be detrimental to his support and any re-election, and information on th ematter was ambiguous and unknown.

Yes, I could be wrong, but I hope I am not. I strongly think that the US govt. had nothing or VERY little to do with the beginning og the AIDs epidemic. It is most likely a long existing disease that becmae far more detrimental to humans, as has been the case with many pandemics, epidemics, and plagues.

[Jill Monroe]

firstly i provided MORE than one DIRECT LINK to various articles which themselves provided FURTHER links for more reading. and the information contained in those articles came from federal documents that were released under the Freedom of Information Act, not to mention medical journals that had been SEALED decades ago AS WELL as the original doctors involved in the FIRST "outbreak" of HIV in 1978.

WIKIPEDIA is hardly the most accurate source of information as they have been found to be able to provide accurate information on things as trivial as TELEVISION SHOWS AND COMICS let alone major events in history (i have seen dates reversed and worse) that site's information is provided by the USERS of the site and is now always accurate.

what youve posted is exactly what what the government and media has put out..nothing more nothing less.

there have been other widespread pandemics such as the Bubonic Plague and the Spanish flu that wiped out SCORES of people in their time but BOTH OF THOSE were prooven to be (as Lawless put it) driven by "Mother Nature" and NOT engineered in a laboratory.

as for your RIDICULOUS and NAIVE assertions that no U.S. president had anything to do with it....try reading this:

“	In 1957, future U.S. president, Rep Gerald Ford and others gave the U.S. Pentagon permission to aggressively deploy offensive biological agents. There are no recorded cases of AIDS prior to the 1957 creation of “Special Operation-X.” (The SOX) program served as the immediate prototype program for the Special Virus program to begin in 1962. By 1960, Nikita Kruschev had been let in on the biological weapon. His 1960 statement will long reflect the arrogance of the secret blend of communism and democracy. The two countries would go to a November 1972 agreement to cull the Black Population. In 1961, scientist Haldor Thomar publishes that viruses cause cancer. In 1995, he and Carlton Gajdusek informed the National Academy of Sciences that “the study of visna in sheep would be the best test for candidate anti-HIV drugs.” In 1962, under the cover of cancer research, the United States charts a path to commit premeditated murder, the “Special Virus” program begins on February 12th. Dr. Len Hayflick sets up a U.S. mycoplasma laboratory at Stanford University. Many believe the “Special Virus” program began in November 1961 with a Phizer contract. Beginning in 1963 and for every year thereafter, the “Special Virus” program conducted annual progress reviews at Hershey Medical Center, Hershey, PA. The annual meetings are representative of the aggressive nature in which the United States pursued the development of AIDS. In 1964, the United States Congress gave full support for the leukemia/lymphoma (AIDS) virus research. In 1967, the National Academy of Sciences launched a full scale assault on Africa. The CIA (Technical Services Division) acknowledged its secret inoculator program. In 1969, Fort Detrick told world scientists and the Pentagon asked for more money, they knew they could make AIDS. Nixon’s July 18 secret memo to Congress on “Overpopulation” serves as the start of the paper trail of the AIDS Holocaust. In 1970, President Nixon signed PL91-213 and John D. Rockefeller, III became the “Population Czar.” Nixon’s August 10 National Security Memo leaves no doubt as to the genocidal nature of depopulation. In 1971, Progress Report #8 is issued. The flowchart (pg. 61) will forever resolve the true laboratory birth origin of AIDS. Eventually the Special Virus program will issue 15 reports and over 20,000 scientific papers. The flowchart links every scientific paper, medical experiment and U.S. contract. The flowchart would remain “missing” until 1999. World scientists were stunned. The flowchart will gain in significance throughout the 21st Century. It is also clear the experiments conducted under Phase IV-A of the flowchart are our best route to better therapy and treatment for people living with HIV/AIDS. The first sixty pages of progress report #8 of the Special Virus program prove conclusively the specific goal of the program. By June 1977, the Special Virus program had produced 15, 000 gallons of AIDS. The AIDS virus was attached as complement to vaccines sent to Africa and Manhattan. However, because of the thoroughness of authors, like Dr. Robert E. Lee, we also learn the Stanford Mycoplasma Laboratory issues one of the first papers with AIDS in the title. “Viral Infections in Man Associated with Acquired Immunological Deficiency States.” The primary scientist, Dr. Thomas Merigan, was a “consultant” to the Special Virus program. Progress Report # 8 at 104 - 106 proves Dr. Robert Gallo was secretly working on the development of AIDS with full support of the sector of the U.S. government that seeks to kill its citizens. Dr. Gallo can not explain why he excluded his role as a “project officer” for the Special Virus program from his biographical book. Dr. Gallo’s early work and discoveries will finally be viewed in relation to the flowchart. We now know where every experiment fits into the flowchart. The “research logic” is irrefutable evidence of a federal “Manhattan-style project” to develop a “contagious” cancer that “selectively” kills. Dr. Gallo’s 1971 paper is identical to his 1984 AIDS announcement. Progress Report #8 at 273 - 286 proves we gave AIDS to monkeys. Since 1962, the United States and Dr. Robert Gallo have been inoculating monkeys and re-releasing them back into the wild. Thus, even government scientists are baffled that both HIV-1 and HIV-II would “suddenly emerge” from two distinct monkey ancestral relatives during the last 100 years. A 1999 Japanese study will ultimately prove the Man to Monkey origin of Monkey AIDS. The monkey experiments summary definitively proves Monkey AIDS is also man-made. In 1972, the United States and the Soviet Union entered into a biological agreement that would signal the death knell for the Black Population. The 1972 agreement for collaboration and cooperation in the development of offensive biological agents is still U. S. policy. In 1973, we find that world scientist, Garth Nicolson reports on his project, “Role of the Cell Surface in Escape From Immunological Surveillance.” His report is accompanied by seven published papers. Dr. Nicolson worked in conjunction with the Special Virus program from 1972 until 1978. Dr. Nicolson is considered by some to be Dr. Gallo’s “West Coast” counterpart. It is strongly held that because of Dr. Nicolson, Dr. Robert Gallo and Dr. Luc Montagnier would secretly meet in Southern California to coordinate what they would and would not say about the special virus development program. In 1974, Furher Henry Kissinger releases his NSSM-200 (U.S. Plan to Address Overpopulation). It is the only issue of discussion at the World Population Conference in Bucharest, Romania. In 1975, President Gerald Ford signs National Security Defense Memorandum #314. The United States implements the Kissinger NSSM-200. In 1976, the United States issues Progress Report #13 of the Special Virus program. The report proves the United States had various international agreements with the Russians, Germans, British, French, Canadians and Japanese. The plot to kill Black people has wide international support. In March, the Special Virus began production of the AIDS virus, by June 1977, the program will have produced 15,000 gallons of AIDS. President Jimmy Carter allows for the continuation of the secret plan to cull the Black Population. In 1977, Dr. Robert Gallo and the top Soviet Scientists meet to discuss the proliferation of the 15,000 gallons of AIDS. They attach AIDS as complement to the Small pox vaccine for Africa, and the “experimental” hepatitis B vaccine for Manhattan. According to authors June Goodfield and Alan Cantwell, it is Batch #751 that was administered in New York to thousands of innocent people. This government will never be able to repay the people for the social rape, humiliation and out right prejudice people with HIV/AIDS face on a daily basis. "The men in the shadows of the AIDS curtain accurately calculated that you would not care if only Blacks and gays are dying. In fact you don’t care that nearly a half million Gulf War veterans are encumbered with something contagious. Soon there will be no more Black people and a confused military, older White people will start suddenly dying and you still won’t get it." Be here now for us, give us a chance to be there for you. Suddenly, just as President Nixon had predicted, there was explosive death. On November 4, 1999, the U.S. White House announced,.... “Within a period as short as five years, all new infections of HIV in the United States will be African American....” .	”

More of the history of the secret virus program can be found in the archives of Dr. John B. Moloney. A review of the files under Dr. Moloney’s name would further pinpoint additional dates and records consistent with one of the greatest hunts, capture and proliferation of disease in the history of the human race. We have found the missing link. It is the guts of the research logic of a federal program that seeks to kill. We have found a curtain of AIDS. We can identify some of the people who work in the shadows of the curtain. Dr. Robert Gallo and Dr. Garth Nicolson must lead us in review. In light of the attack mechanisms available in which to inhibit AIDS, it is time that not another person be stricken with this relic, synthetic mycoplasma chimera.

[Jackpot]

Sources:

GENERAL
http://www.wikipedia.org (take it or leave it)

KINYOUN
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/037...lance&n=283155 (book on Joseph Kinyoun with brief synopsis)
http://www.fda.gov/CBER/inside/centnews.htm (article on Kinyoun)
http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...?artid=1200677 (Kinyoun’s work in San Francisco)

MYCOPLASMA
http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic467.htm (mycoplasma)
http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com/html/mycoplasma.html (very good segment on how unlikely HIV and mycoplasma could be used together)
http://www.cfsresearch.org/mycoplasma/ (lots of info)

INFLUENZA
http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/ (wasn’t human made)

VISNA
http://www.righto.com/theories/visna.html (sheep disease)
http://www.whale.to/v/keske6.html (similar but generally unrelated)

GADJUSEK
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticlekey=4122 (discovery of kuru)

There are a lot of the sites, and yes I did gather much from wiki. But look up most of the names and such on that list, few of these ‘reputable’ names can be found. The timeline was never proven true, and there is not really govt. documents backing it up, there is 1 and is not saying the research on HIV/AIDs and other diseases had anything to do with harming ANYONE, but it did condone the deployment of aggressive biological agents. But that says nothing about for what purpose, if it is or is not on humans, and again, neither the SOX or Secret Virus programs have been proven to take any part in such actions by current review (2001-). I’m sorry if I am stupid and only found the one link, but I only found the one link which has one link to the direct source which is the work of Boyd E. Graves who crafted the timeline and took it to court. He is a civil suits lawyer, he has just as much personal wealth to gain from accusing the govt. of inflicting AIDs as pharmaceutical companies have in not releasing cures for drugs. He has been to federal court, and he has brought on a massive review of govt. disease research organizations, with no success of yet. Again, he has no personal background on the subject and merely gathered information. The flow chart he uses was made in 1971, since then the timeline has not changed, he has no success in court, the govt. has not been proven accountable for AIDs, and even science disputes that such an ailment could be created from mycoplasma. But I can add no more, and I won’t say I know the definite answers, nor that I have all the information in front of me. All the information I looked into was true and clearly true, and it stands as evidence that it is at least UNLIKELY that the govt. created or cultivated HIV/AIDs in order to damage the black or gay populations, there are serious problems with what is on that timeline. But based on what I can gather and know, my personal beliefs, and the information provided, I will have to agree to disagree on THIS part. But if I see some interesting new replies I may be urged to write more. Its all definitely food for thought though…

[Buddy]

Most doctors and scientists say that AIDS is too perfect a virus to have occured naturally. The fact that when it was first discovered it was so far in its mutation is the first sign of proof of this. At this advanced of a state the virus still would have the potential to demolish human life years and years ago.

I do believe that the virus is man made and was used to target different groups of people. Such as homosexual men and drug users due to the way the virus spreads. The virus was "discovered" at a time when both homosexuals and drug users were becoming a more frequent topic of conversation in the news and politics. If you think about it the application of this virus can do many things for a society that is looking for "control."

1. Population control: Not only do most people end up knowing they have AID's but its pretty much garunteed they will die. Controlling the population is important to maintaining resources as countries like China have found out.

2. Individual control: People will fear getting the virus and with the media spinning it off that you only get it by being homosexual or doing drugs than people will fear doing that and the general populuce will reject it out of fear.


I also believe there were alot of hands involved in the release of AID's because even though its a killer and all think of how many people, religions, countries, and governments benifit from having this.


Now this argument was formulated only to prove the point that the virus was man made, not that I am for the reasons above in anyway. I personally think that way of thinking is sick and you would have to be a sick person to think of it. However it is logical hence its importance.

I feel sorry for those who have died from AIDS and the many more that will. It is a terrible plauge that has swept our world and so far I dont think any government would even allow a cure, I believe its one of the primary funding methods for the medical industry right now however I am not sure where all that money goes research wise (Since we havent cured it there should be alot sitting there still I would guess?). I feel its sad that humanity as a whole hasnt come together to fight against such a threat. My heart goes out to all who have died and will and I hope one day this virus is eradicated and life moves on.

[Jackpot]

Well, I suppose there is some more interesting info.

For the evolution v. creation- I only believe it could be HIV/AIDs becuase I have read on numerous occasions that symptoms that frequently occured in the past are strikingly similar to those of HIV/AIDs. Especially the immune system deficiency and susceptibility to other sicknesses, the coldness felt by the afflicted, and the infection. For centuries such occurances have occurred unexplained. Maybe I am wrong and the govt. or at least someone helped make HIV and/or AIDs more potent, but I am pretty sure at least that it was not created. For example, although random, Edgar Allen Poe's wife and cousin had very similar symptoms before she died at a young age.

For the eugenics- I still find it hard to believe around the time period where things were on the up and up for African-Americans and the civil rights of all Americans. And also, that AIDs afflicted everyone, and I am pretty sure they knew this from the start. And also, like I said before, sickle cell anemia and untreated hepititus and STDs would have been enough to severely damage the African-American population and the more obvious gay population, rather than crafting an entirely new or advanced bacteria.

As for control-To an extent, this idea is definitely right. But in the 70s and 80s, the US did not need to limit population at all, while the Cold War could break out into actual battling we would need people to be ready to fight, and also with other Communist threats with large populations constantly springing up, we would want people for generally the same purpose. As for individual control, for one promiscuity and drug use (sharing syringes primarily) was already known to be disease transmitters and could have been used already. Secondly, if this was the purpose...AIDs is around! Such a phenomenon could very well occur if it was intended.

But I'll add a sidenote to this, one thing I do think that is VERY corrupt about the govt. is drugs in the US, I think that may be used as eugenics moreso than AIDs would or could. And I think politicians and govt. officials are paid off by cartels regularly. Because places in S. America from which cocaine and heroine are mainly imported (in the US) or in the Middle East (much of the rest of the world) groves of coca trees or massive fields of poppy are very noticeable and could easily be destroyed by contained incendiary fires...well, I'll stop there before I rant (maybe another thread is in line?) In short, I don;t think the US will go on serious drug wars anytime soon.

[Buddy]

Well as far as control goes, the reason for it isnt that we had a problem with it. But we saw china and the asian countries problems with it so instead of wait for it to happen we acted first to prevent it. Whats the best defence agains a growing problem? A good offence.

Why not create a new virus too kill off the black and gay population? Eventually the body would evolve past the problems of sickle cell due to the mixing of races. With the mixing of races hepititus has decreased over the years as well. Why not compound the problem and make a virus that wont allow them to evolve in that way?

[DonDaddyD]

After being called out about my lack of interest towards this thred I read some interesting facts about the HIV virus.

There are two varients HIV - 1 and HIV - 2.

HIV - 1 (found mostly in the Western World) is said to have evolved from SIVcpz Simian immune deficency found within Chimpanzee's. This virus was said to have evolved naturally. It is the more virulent of the two and the reports suggest it entered the Human population around 1930's.

HIV - 2 (found and almost completely contained in West Africa) crossed species from a different strain of SIV found in Sooty Mangabey (an old World Monkey). This is less likely to be a natural occurance compared with HIV-1 which can easily be surmised as a result of our genetic closeness to Chimpanzee's.

More telling is the fact that HIV - 2 was reportedly found in 1959.

It is completly plausible that the HIV - 2 strain was engineered given that it is mostly found in West Africa (where people in large amounts can be experimented on in secrecy) and that at the time it was first reported we fully know that the majority of the Worlds most powerful Countries were exploring potential weapons (technological and biological) as part of the backlash from the WWII. Moreover the 50's - 70's saw the most influential and greatest genetic breakthroughs during any 20yr time period. All the evidence suggests that at least one strain was not natural.

Humans were never natural hosts to HIV I however don't think niether was ever a natural disease. Whilst reading up on SIV where HIV is said to have evolved from, Monkeys are able to live with it as their immune system do not attempt to chronically attack the virus thereby further weakening itself, as is the case in Humans. It is suggested that the Simian tollerance for the virus is due to the fact that virus and species evolved together naturally.

Given that the SIV varient does not and has not mutated without the respective species evolving naturally with it and given the speed in which HIV mutates and our bodies natural intollerance too the virus, I cannot believe that it ever was a naturally evolving virus. As our bodies reaction too it would be slighty different.

I do not believe it was designed to kill homosexuals if either varient was engineered it offeres little to no evidence that it ever could have distinguished between hetro and homosexuals (if a distinction can be made at all) for scientist to make a virus so effective and overlook that I cannot accept.

I hope that all made sense (I tried my best to)....

[Jill Monroe]

the problem with your last statement is that in the "Manhattan event" of 1978, a large group of homosexual men were administered an "experimental" hepatitis vaccine. the vaccine (by most reports i've read) was laced with the AIDS. shortly after this broard scale experimentation on these unsuspecting men...there was a recorded OUTBREAK of the virus which was eventually called (and incorrently named) Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

The idea of population control and selective targeting of certain types of people is very real and has happened throughout history whether its widely known or not. the NAZIS are legendary for it and again...many of the medical journals involving brutal human experimentation were conducted by Nazi doctors on american soil and FINANCED by nazi lovers like Prescott Bush and Henry Ford.

ultimately, it baffles me how people cant imagine or even explore the idea (horrible as it is) that AIDS was more than likely designed to TARGET certain groups of people and that it got out of control.

we arent talking about the Bubonic Plague or some other "mother nature" driven disease here.

but ultimately i'm just going to end on this and not bother to comment on it any further.

this topic was apparently too HOT for this board.

[DonDaddyD]

Stop with the too hot for the board some threads have to cook from frozen.....

I was actually trying to edit my post to further support some of my claims so I'll try and fit them into my retort.

I'm fully aware of the final solution and know that Man as a whole is not above genocide. Its suggested we claimed the Earth through that very method when we wiped out Neanderthal. I cannot dispute your source about the Gay people who were experimented on. But my source suggests that the two strands of HIV found today pre-date your source. I'm not denying that it was initially thought to be a 'Gay Man's disease' what I find trouble believing is that it was ever designed for that reason. After reading how the Virus works there is little evidence to show that it could have selected ONLY homosexuals.

I will say that I agree HIV is not however a natural disease.

I did some extended reading on other cases of Immunodeficency Virus in other Species both FIV (Feline Immunodefiecency Virus) found in cats and SIV (Simian Immunodefiecency Virus) found in Apes/monkeys affect both in the same way. Both infected Cats and Apes/Monkeys can live their natural life span without any complication. This has been confirmed as possible because both host and virus evolved together.

The only time the Virus becomes dangerous is when it is exposed to a non-natural host. The immune system attempts to attack the virus thereby depleting itself (leading to Aids), which is what the Human immune system does (confirming we did not naturally evolve with the virus) and what most Simians and Cats immune systems don't (by not attacking the Virus the immune system won't deplete itself something an immune system cannot learn without generations of evolution and adaption).

Moreover both FIV and SIV do not mutate as quickly and as unnaturally as HIV does. This coupled with the fact that HIV-2 could not have made that genetic jump in one go without help makes me 100% sure that HIV is not a natural virus.

I will look into the intetion of creating a 'Gay Man's disease' but at this point I don't even think it was designed to kill only Black people. The virus infection parameters are too wide for me to consider that. It doesn't even infect on a gender bias....

Also I'm one of the few that believes that there is a cure or we are closer too a cure for HIV. (I need to read Magic Johnson - who is living up to his namesake). Financially it is more sensible to not completely cure the virus, even the contraception companies benefit. Money isn't ethical.