MADONNA, the Hypocrite . . . .

[ZorCrow]

http://popdirt.com/images/topics/news.gif (http://popdirt.com/search.php?query=&topic=40) The New York Post reports right wing radio host Michael Savage is blasting Madonna in his new book, 'Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder'. Savage writes, "Here's a woman who made a career as a pseudo-pornographic belly dancer cavorting with a whip, and now suddenly, after having a baby, she pretends to be a holy woman riding her bicycle in England on her country estate with her imbecilic buddy, Gwyneth Paltrow. They both fled America because America wasn't clean enough for their offspring. In Madonna's view, we're a spiritually bankrupt nation — which she helped create! What could Madonna know about the sacred arm of Judaism? Answer: Nothing!"

[Jill Monroe]

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You were only TOO GLAD to post this weren't you Zorcrow. :rolleyes:

Michael Savage needs an enema..that is a long established fact....he and all of his conservative co horts need to get a grip and loosen their hold on this "neo conservative bull horn" that they pervey their nonsense through and realize something....THEY are just as BAD as the supposed "diseased liberals" with their oppressive, intolerant, overbearing view points.

And to suggest that MADONNA is "primarily" responsible for this morally bankrupt society?? give me a break....what has she done that is ANY WORSE than people like 2 live crew, Bobby Brown, or R. Kelly, and all these RAPPERS who glorify misogyny, violence, greed, societal unrest and whatever else (to name a few)...at least MADONNA promoted something positive for women show the world it was okay for a WOMAN to control and flaunt her sexuality as much as MEN do..and to use it to a woman's advantage. she took subjects that were considered taboo and she ADDRESSED THEM in her videos and her music lyrics...she made people talk and think about things that most probably wouldnt have otherwise. ALL of that was apart of her own growth and transformation. there was a POINT to her imagery and her music.

She's older now, with two children and one of the first things she said she learned after having Lourdes was that she had to think of MORE than herself now...she had to provide an example for her children she could be proud of. She has never regretted or recanted any thing she did in her music or her life in the past twenty years (at least not from any books and interviews i have seen). People are allowed to provide whatever environment they wish for their children...so why is Michael so bent on exposing MADONNA of all people as a hypocrate? He's just one of the many middle aged american men who knew and still knows that he could never attract a woman as strong and secure in herself as Madonna on his best day.

[ZorCrow]

So Madonna errrrrrrrr Strongbinder, I think there is a difference in a woman's sexual independence and being whorish. I think Madonna jumped across that line personally a long time ago. Her book sex was not about freedom or liberty but perversion. Perversion that has lead to STD rates rising amongst teens (read my Porn Culture U.S.A. article), approximately millions of abortions,
and then children born of out wedlock, and also a sky high divorce rate.

Now Madonna isn't responsible for all those problems, but she sure made sure they weren't solved, nor addressed. She did not bring up social issues for the betterment of society I believe, but to keep contoversy going because she has marginal talent and to sell records. I think Madonna is probably the biggest fraud in entertainment history next to her protege' Britney Spears.

With that being said, Liberals and folks on the left have to understand those who proclaim and PRACTICE traditional values, practice values that benefit society and values such as spanking children, hard work, fiscal responsibility, love thy neighbor that have made the human race great.

Do I think Madonna is the reason we morally in the toilet as a nation, NOPE!, Do I think she benefited form and hastened the decline, YES!. Nothing is more liberating than a woman in a mask whipping other women in lesbian D and S fantasy. . . .that is women's liberation!!!

;)

[Jill Monroe]

Madonna has always gotten flack from religious fanatics, conservatives and the like..because she didnt give a damn what they thought of her messages in her music. And yes...she DID convey messages in her music...but most people were too blinded by their own "hypocritical" outrage to see that.



so i suppose Madonna's SEX book is more "perverted" than R Kelly taping himself URINATING on a 14 year old girl...or him trolling highschools looking for under age girls and luring them into his web with the promise of stardom. AT LEAST MADONNA DID HER SHIT in the SEX BOOK WITH CONSENTING ADULTS! and I suppose Madonna's "antics" are more abominable than those of 2 live crew and Bobby Brown who PRIDED themselves on misogynizing women...and used venues of entertainment...before HUNDREDS of people to do EVERYTHING but have true sex on stage? and Madonna's controversial videos..which have messages and use true art form are MORE detrimental to society than the hatefull images depicted in videos of Eminem...or the violence , drug use and excessive profanity that is as common place among rap video?

give me a break. If there IS a decline in society as of late...it has nothing to do with Madonna or her body of work. Michael Savage is doing what every conservative does....looking for a scape goat. Where was HE during the 9/11 attacks...Madonna give 2 million dollars to help with the relief fund of that disaster. Where was HE when Madonna and many other celebrities joined forces to raise funds for the victims of the tsunami of 04?


Zorcrow, you as a man have no right to tell me or any other woman what the difference between controlling my sexuality and being a whore is. Worry about yourself and your moral compass...and the morals of your family. That is something ELSE conservatives seem to miss. No one can dictate the moral compass of an entire nation. If Michael Savage wants people to live their lives a certain way...then LEAD BY EXAMPLE...dont sit there and write articles and look down on others.

[ZorCrow]

Zorcrow, you as a man have no right to tell me or any other woman what the difference between controlling my sexuality and being a whore is. Worry about yourself and your moral compass...and the morals of your family. That is something ELSE conservatives seem to miss. No one can dictate the moral compass of an entire nation. If Michael Savage wants people to live their lives a certain way...then LEAD BY EXAMPLE...dont sit there and write articles and look down on others.

Now SexyBinder;), I understand what you are saying, and I respectfully agree with you. If Conservatives who care about this nation,and care about not just the current, but the future of this nation, should we not care and desire change in our society for the better? If "morals" and "ethics" make us strong and secure the success of our nation in the future then we should care, as you care and I care. I guarentee except for lusting for you in my heart;), I don't MORAL POSTURE, or make a show of ethics or righteousness to condemn others. I agree, since I am not a Conservative, or a Republican, who themselves have faults such as RACISM, SEXISM, CLASSIM and Hypocristy (Newt Gingrich has affairs, Henry Hyde and others who condemned Clinton did worse, Sen. Bob Packwood).

As for Madonna or anywoman or MAN being whorish, hey it's freedom of opinion and speech. Madonna has a right to live how she lives, but she also has a right to face criticism when that way, in some folks opinion corrrupts others, then instead of live in the castle she made, she takes off running from it and says, "I don't let my kids watch TV because of the filth on it like I used to do." Sounds like Jenna Jameson when she said, "I don't want my children to be porn stars." Why is she one then? I agree we have to lead by example and these folks whether they are 2 Live Crew,
Poison, Motley Crue, R. Smelly, 50 Cent, Lil Jon, Republicans or Democrats or whomever, the media who also is owned by the companies that pushes these guys and ladies records are spinning our culture to ideas that will harm it.

Decadence is the true sign of any civilization in decline, look at Ancient Rome, history does repeat itself.

Michael Savage (who comes on 1400 AM in Detroit 6pm-9pm weeknights),
is a racist, hateful, mean spirited man, he is a pure entertainer who's arrogance and ignorance and vicousness makes him comical. The republican conservatie radio networks of 1400 and 760 are pure entertainment, just like that Liberals on 1310 AM (Jerry Springer 9a-12- weekdays is great!).

Well I am out, War SexyBinder and Me being the Interracial Mega Super Couple running thangz:p,
War Prophet, Dreseden and J Soul staring their own Network,
and War Titania, and Foxfire kicking Rush Limbaugh off the air!

I am out!!!!!

[FtpIt]

But why did she have to have children to provide an example of how one should act? What about all the young children and teenagers who watched her before she had kids...why didn't she set an example then...not buying it Miss ;)

[Jill Monroe]

But why did she have to have children to provide an example of how one should act? What about all the young children and teenagers who watched her before she had kids...why didn't she set an example then...not buying it Miss ;)

is it Madonna'sjob to mentor OTHER PEOPLE'S children? no. If people "want an example for children and young people" then let THOSE PEOPLE provide that example for the children and young people in THEIR LIVES. Madonna is an entertainer..she is GLOBAL and it is not her responbility to school children and young people on how to behave or how to do things..that is the job of the parents...and rest assured MANY parents during the 80's and 90's censored Madonna's music and imagery from their children for the provocative nature of it. My own mother forbade me to purchase Madonna's SEX book at the time it was released (my father secretly gave it to me for my "sweet 16 b-day" because he knew i wanted it so badly LOL).

And as for "setting an example"...again, the same thing could be said for 50 Cent, Eminem and these rappers who have these young man running around with the foolish notion that they can "get rich or die trying" and that its all about cars with rims, massive "bling" and "pimpin ho's". AT LEAST Madonna's music stood for SOMETHING...and had messages ..even if it was infuriating to her critics, conservatives and others at those times.

[Foxfire]

Everyone is looking for a way to prophet from Madonna's success. But to blame her for the failure of a society is ridiculous. If we are going to blame people, let's start in the generation of 1969 with the sex fests and heavy drug use by the hippies. Madonna was born around then but she wasn't quite a star until the early 80's. The rise of STD's? That generation once more having unprotected sex mixed with plenty of drugs. And unmarried as well, most hippies believed in "flower power", "peace, love, and happiness."

And if we look into the early 70's we're introduced to the Porn industry. Plenty of vulgur tasteless acts with under age women and men. Fucking on camerea is NOT art, Madonna's sex book was. Why? It was photography but taken in unique environments and positions purposely provoking you. I agree with what Farrah said, Madonna was able to make people think about topics that were taboo.

[DonDaddyD]

This is where I get shouted out.

I think about what Madonna has done and yeah most of it is cool. But I think if that was my Mum I'd be dissapointed. There are things I simply wouldn't want to know and see about my Mum and wouldn't want the World to know and see. Shit I still get stressed when my friends try to wind me up by saying my parents still have sex 'My Mum doesn't do them kind of things.' Is my response. (Sometimes we get drunk and wind each other about such silly childish things). The point is I think of her children and think I'm lucky my Mum's not like that. In my eyes Madonna doesn't have a responsibility to any society anymore than anyone else who is in the public eye but she has a responsiblity to her children and she should lead by example. Now I am honestly saying that I don't know that my Mums history but I'd be pissed if I found out my Mum made a book all about sex that anyone in the entire World could buy.

Now she has reformed and shes a better parent now then what she would have been when she went through that 'exploration' stage of her life. But still it was cool and all she did it publically but now I wonder what do her kids think of her?

If she was my Mum I'd think my Mum was a whore.

[FtpIt]

Everyone is looking for a way to prophet from Madonna's success. But to blame her for the failure of a society is ridiculous. If we are going to blame people, let's start in the generation of 1969 with the sex fests and heavy drug use by the hippies. Madonna was born around then but she wasn't quite a star until the early 80's. The rise of STD's? That generation once more having unprotected sex mixed with plenty of drugs. And unmarried as well, most hippies believed in "flower power", "peace, love, and happiness."

And if we look into the early 70's we're introduced to the Porn industry. Plenty of vulgur tasteless acts with under age women and men. Fucking on camerea is NOT art, Madonna's sex book was. Why? It was photography but taken in unique environments and positions purposely provoking you. I agree with what Farrah said, Madonna was able to make people think about topics that were taboo.

I don't think she was trying to make people think about topics that were taboo but show them that she could live her life like a taboo and get away with it...and she did...she did some wild and crazy things back in the 80's and early 90's and her sex book was one of her many taboo toys for the public to view...I just don't see what all the excitement is about this woman...don't get it.

is it Madonna'sjob to mentor OTHER PEOPLE'S children? no. If people "want an example for children and young people" then let THOSE PEOPLE provide that example for the children and young people in THEIR LIVES. Madonna is an entertainer..she is GLOBAL and it is not her responbility to school children and young people on how to behave or how to do things..that is the job of the parents...and rest assured MANY parents during the 80's and 90's censored Madonna's music and imagery from their children for the provocative nature of it. My own mother forbade me to purchase Madonna's SEX book at the time it was released (my father secretly gave it to me for my "sweet 16 b-day" because he knew i wanted it so badly LOL).

And as for "setting an example"...again, the same thing could be said for 50 Cent, Eminem and these rappers who have these young man running around with the foolish notion that they can "get rich or die trying" and that its all about cars with rims, massive "bling" and "pimpin ho's". AT LEAST Madonna's music stood for SOMETHING...and had messages ..even if it was infuriating to her critics, conservatives and others at those times.

Oh come on Farrah, when you are in the public eye like she is then you have to set some example for the younger generation. When you have kids around you don't you act in a mature manner so that they get a sense of how one should conduct themselves? What about the "White Power" situation? Stop leaving all this stuff up to parents because they can't do it alone and all adults including myself should be mindful of children and teaching them to be better people in society. Most artists' music stands for something but it's how they deliver the message that's the problem. No one thinks about the little people anymore because it's all about the MONEY...that's one of the main reasons why this country is so "F"-up...we don't have a chance in hell the way our society is heading.

[Jill Monroe]

how DARE you bring up the situation i posted about in "intolerable behavior" in this thread. the two do not even equate.

THAT situation is a case of someone being complicit to the perversion of her child and not attempting to stop it or allow ME to help.

THIS topic is about how Michael Savage seeks to blame the moral decay of society SOLELY on Madonna...ignoring many other candidates that should be just as elligible for "blame" based on the criteria in his article.

Stick to the topic and those comments that follow it please.

[Jessica Hamby]

As for Madonna or anywoman or MAN being whorish, hey it's freedom of opinion and speech. Madonna has a right to live how she lives, but she also has a right to face criticism when that way, in some folks opinion corrrupts others, then instead of live in the castle she made, she takes off running from it and says, "I don't let my kids watch TV because of the filth on it like I used to do." Sounds like Jenna Jameson when she said, "I don't want my children to be porn stars." Why is she one then?

First of all... I would like to say that Micheal Savage sounds like a savage idiot. To accuse Madonna of being responsible for the Moral Decay of our society... that's like accusing Bush of leading this country out of Moral Decay.

To bring something new to this topic of conversation, and to respond to the quote above: I can see how some people might be upset that Madonna has left this country because its so corrupt, and I can even understand how some people think Jenna Jameson not wanting her children to be porn stars is silly. Let me open some eyes. :p

No one, and I repeat, NO ONE, wants to know their children are porn stars. No Parent should have to accept that their child is sexually active until after their child is married and is having children, and even then, its a lot to ask...

My little sisters will always be those little babies whose diapers i changed and who ran around the house with their underwear on their heads instead of their bottoms. To me, anyway. Now they are 11, 12, and 13, and they are coming of age and puberty and peer pressure and its hard for me to imagine them doing some of the things i do [things that will be left for you to imagine... you know what im talking about] My oldest younger sister, 13, just came into the possession [im not quite sure how] of a pair of thong underwear. I personally dont like that style... but she does... to top it off... she's HIDING them from our parents [because heaven knows theyd confiscate them and a big ole talk would follow]. My role as an older sister has me rather in a quagmire. I know my parents have given them all the mandatory sex talk and that Hannah's school has one of those health programs that give them the low down on STDS and pregnancy and how sex works and protection and all that shit. Its MY job, however, to answer those questions she has that no one should have to ask their parents or teachers. [As the oldest, i had to suck it up and ask or else find out on my own.] Whenever one of those comes up.... I'm still inclined to tell her "ill tell you when you're older"... but i know shes going to find an answer sooner or later... and I'd rather have the piece of mind knowing she has the RIGHT answers, and that she can TRUST me enough to tell me when the important things come up. [Yes honey, it hurts the first time and I dont care WHAT your friends are saying.... all of them are still virgins i hope.] I was always close enough with my mother that I could tell her most things [we operate on a 'mom doesnt ask questions she doesnt really want the answers to' policy in regards to my relationship[s]]... but I know Hannah isnt and that worries me... because that means if she's not telling me then no one knows WHATS going on. Luckily... Hannah seems unafraid to talk to me about stuff... and I'm pretty sure the other two will follow her lead [which unfortunately means im probably going to be keeping more and more information from my parents. I was never that type of daughter... but things change, right? Its important that the girls can trust me... so its a tradeoff.] In trying to be a mentor for my girls, and arming them with the information they need and they guidance they dont want, I have to accept that they're all growing up into young ladies who are, in a few years, going to be exploring their sexuality. [b]Its difficult, but I want the best for them.

That said, it brings me to my next point.... we all want the very BEST for our children [and in my case, younger siblings]. Madonna is no different. She wants her children to be raised in an environment that is healthy and i dont blame her. Lets face it... Society IS decaying morally.... and theres nothing wrong with Madonna realizing that and wanting better for her children. She's got the money to provide BETTER for her children, so power to her.

As For Jenna... I dont blame her either.... In FACT... she just earned a couple of points in my book. Maybe she isnt such a ditz after all. She wants BETTER for her children... and she doesnt want her children to be exposed to the industry she makes her living in. So WHAT? She has found from personal experience that the porn industry isnt the best place to work, even if she is filthy rich. Maybe she realizes that she sacrificed something that she'd rather still have... and there nothing wrong with not wanting your children to be in porn.... I can imagine HER parents would rather her be doing something else as well... but its too late for her... but not too late for her children.

[ZorCrow]

Titiania,

Mike Savage is not a "bible thumping" person. He isn't even a Christian in fact he's a secular jewish person. Seems like you have some personal prejudice there. Second of all Mike Savage doesn't even believe in the war in Iraq.

Besides those errors, good points and good thoughts.

[Jessica Hamby]

Lol, i wasnt talking about Savage in particular... just the general spike in activity by people of that 'discipline'... and i wouldnt call it a prejudice... just an intolerance for those who like to do things while looking down their nose at it and smothering others with their religious beliefs.

[Osiris]

I think its crazy to try and single out an artist and hold them to the fire for something they couldnt have possibly single handedly done.

It also drives me crazy the hypocrasy of people who try and judge people's current actions and weigh them against their past, as if people don't grow and evolve.

Maddonna is older now and she is a mother, can't she change? If she was doing the same things she was doing a decade ago the Christian right and the "moral" police(conservatives) would be attacking that too.

They all sound like pharassees, becuase they want us to forgive and forget their pasts, but are quick to point out everyone elses that against their crusade. Im just sick and tired of all these phony psuedo-Christians.

[Jill Monroe]

I think its crazy to try and single out an artist and hold them to the fire for something they couldnt have possibly single handedly done.

It also drives me crazy the hypocrasy of people who try and judge people's current actions and weigh them against their past, as if people don't grow and evolve.

Maddonna is older now and she is a mother, can't she change? If she was doing the same things she was doing a decade ago the Christian right and the "moral" police(conservatives) would be attacking that too.

They all sound like pharassees, becuase they want us to forgive and forget their pasts, but are quick to point out everyone elses that against their crusade. Im just sick and tired of all these phony psuedo-Christians.


:haha:......and "let the CHURCH SAY AMEN!" :D :haha:

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It also drives me crazy the hypocrasy of people who try and judge people's current actions and weigh them against their past, as if people don't grow and evolve.

and didnt JESUS himself talk about CHANGE and growth for a person after "redemption"? and yet these conservatives want to HOLD a person to one phase in their life forever....as if they have the final word of how a person truly is..or is meant to be. :rolleyes:

[ZorCrow]

I think its crazy to try and single out an artist and hold them to the fire for something they couldnt have possibly single handedly done.

It also drives me crazy the hypocrasy of people who try and judge people's current actions and weigh them against their past, as if people don't grow and evolve.

Maddonna is older now and she is a mother, can't she change? If she was doing the same things she was doing a decade ago the Christian right and the "moral" police(conservatives) would be attacking that too.

They all sound like pharassees, becuase they want us to forgive and forget their pasts, but are quick to point out everyone elses that against their crusade. Im just sick and tired of all these phony psuedo-Christians.

Psuedo Christianas? Right Wing Wackos? Conservatives? Bible Thumpers?
I love the language of the so called "free thinkers on this board. The hypocristy and hatred they speak form is less than what they speak against. Grow up folks and stop calling names.

Now some MADONNA FACTS . . .

1. Madonna perpuated moral decline by sexual immorality and reckless sexual behavior
2. Madonna can't sing live, and can't do more than carry a tune.
3. Madonna was backed by corprations such as Time-Warner who made millinos of her persona.
4. Madonna hated Catholicism, Christianity, and attacked Chrisitans with blasphemous and irreverent and hateful jargon and attacks left and right
5. Madonna published and was featured in a book called sex where she posed naked with animals, in sexual positions, and sex acts with men and women.
6. Madonna did videos with S and M, B and D themes that showcased homosexuality, and lesbianism.
7. Madonna moved to England
8. Madonna wanted to make "sexy" clothes for toddlers
9. Maodnna married Guy Ritchie in a "Church"
10. Madonna doesn't let her kids watch TV because of the "filth on it"
flith describes the same sexual behaviors and attitudes that she preached and lived by.
11. Madonna had sex with Charles Barkley, Dennins Rodman, Sean Penn,
Sandra Bernhard (:igitt:), Namoi Campbell, Big Daddy Kane, and countless others
12. She said the most self discovering thing she sid was masterbatingwhile on the toilet as a adolescent.
13. Madonna has sold millions of records
14. Madonna has sold millions of tickets
15. Madonna has the record for most consecutive billboard #1 hits for a female solo artist.

Those are the facts, what we call her is purely our opinion, and I don't say the things against her to be mean, but I can't believe she would do all those nasty things, then flee to England and condemn America for it's moral decay that she was apart of that's all. At least Hugh Hefner, Larry Flynt and Bob Gaccioane, and the porn masters live in America.



Nuff Said . . .

[Jessica Hamby]

Crow.... I cant help but feel you're just a little BIASED here yourself.... and youre starting to sound bitter and as though you have some personal vendetta against Madonna.... and I'm trying to say that in the nicest way possible, because I like you and i respect your opinion... but i feel like youre getting a little TOO excited over this.


the FACTS are simple.
1.Madonna, though you may hold whatever opinion about her morality that you like, is a BRILLIANT business woman. She didnt get to be a megastar being a stupid blonde bitch and she didnt get there riding on anyone else's back either.
2. Sex SELLS. I'm sorry, but thats the way it IS. Madonna didnt MAKE it that way, and the statement that she made it perpetual is just silly. Sex sells, it always HAS and it probably always will. Madonna was smart becuase she figured out what sells and she capitalized on that.
3.You know whats REALLY funny? She moved to England, and everyone's making this big deal like she's running away from the States because of this sexual filth that has degenerated the nation.... but Europe is a lot more 'free with the body'... they arent as REPRESSED sexually there... its not seen as such a big ole deal there as it is here in america, where people do it while looking down their nose at it.
4. I'm sure there are millions of people who think she sings just FINE in concert, that is a matter of opinion and really doesnt belong in your list.
5.There are plenty of other books on Sex out there buddy... I'm sure there are even some that or more shocking than the one she published. Are you trying to say she's a terrible person for writing a book about sex?
6. What, did you SEE her with all those people? Its really none of anyones fucking business WHO Madonna's had sex with, No pun intended.
7. Madonna has the innate right[and responsibility] to shield her children from whatever she deems inappropriate. Aren't her kids like, both under ten? Aren't they a little YOUNG to be exposed to that stuff? Like I said before... when people have children, they take on different opinions... because now they have someone depending on them... they have the responsibility for making sure their children are raised with the right values and all that.... they have to lead by example and whatnot. It doesnt surprise me that Madonna doesnt want her kids growing up here. I dont want MY kids growing up here, LOL, Look at the STATE of this country.


If I hear one more person argue that Madonna is at fault for the decline of this country.... I think i'll scream. Its a RIDICULOUS theory, let it go.

[Jill Monroe]

excellent point by point rebuttal, Titania. :) but Dear Crow was a bit inaccurrate on some of the points in his list (as the true mega Madonna fan that i am, I should know! :D )

ONE thing i will speak on, the issue of shielding her children from what she deems and knows to be inappropriate....titania said it best...it is her INNATE RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY! Madonna said HERSELF shortly after her daughter, Lourdes was born in 1996 that she now had to think of MORE than just herself. She pondered "what kind of an example will i set for my child"....and that was what propelled her on her spiritual journey. being the truly savvy business woman that she is, she parlayed her newfound spirituality into a ground breaking, wildly successfull, multi grammy winning, multi platinum album called Ray of Light.....her newly changed outlook on life not only benefited her private life..but served to rejuvinate her career and help carry her on into the new mellinum with several more mega successfull albums ...forcing other artists like Britney and Christina to take notice and respect the woman who paved the way for them.

Madonna has managed to seemingly balance her career AND her motherhood and somehow use each of those parts of her life to benefit the other. and like Osiris said, she's older now and why SHOULDNT she be able to change from the woman she was in the 80's and early 90's?? IF she HADNT changed...and was still doing JUST EXACTLY what she was doing in the 80's andd be early 90's...then THAT would be a problem for her to look at.

Madonna is NOT responsible for the moral decay in america...and she certainly doesnt deserve to be the only one singled out for being a "possible cause" of it either as a matter of discussion.

[ZorCrow]

One thing is for certain, we can not judge too harshly. Such as Bill O' Reilly, he turned out to be a pervert behind the scenes. Masterbating over the phone with a vibrator to a co worker while you are married with children and proclaiming moral values in our society is hypocrisy.

Also Mitch Albom of the Detroit Free Press, he lied in an article, he ripped Jayson Blair and then he does the same thing. Seems like folks often condemen others beccause they have the same faults in themselves. Hypocrisy is wrong on all levels,
Savage should lay off Madonna and work on his bigotry and hate, who knows Mike Savage might have more disgusting pornography than Madonna has ever seen.

Judge ourselves . . . and love each other . . .

[Jacob Black]

I think that personally Madonna just gets a bad reputation because she was one of the first women in the Industry to just stand up and tell the world to suck her Dick. She pushed the envelope and pushed issues that the world was SO taboo to talk about and she made it go right in the forefront with issues such as Teen Pregnancy, Religion, Homosexuality.

If ANYTHING, Madonna has helped our repressed country to become more accepting of things that are not the everyday. People have to take into account that Madonna has been in her career for more than 20 years. She has grown as a woman and she has grown as a person. Anyone who knows Madonna knows that with almost every album she seems to reinvent herself in a new way. She is an always changing being, exploring the different parts of spirituality and life which is something we all should be doing. She should be COMMENDED, not written about because of this thing that she is a hypocrite!

[Osiris]

Psuedo Christianas? Right Wing Wackos? Conservatives? Bible Thumpers?
I love the language of the so called "free thinkers on this board. The hypocristy and hatred they speak form is less than what they speak against. Grow up folks and stop calling names.


Name calling? Call it what you will, but its the truth. Christianity has been hijacked by Psuedo Christians. Christians only in name and title, but there practices resemble nothing that Jesus(PBUH) taught.

Whatever happened to forgiveness, redemption, grace etc.? Whatever happened to get the beam out of thy eye first or judge not for you too shall be judged?

The Moral Police in America have are hypocrits and have become the new Pharasees.

Which in truth, is the main reason why Church membership and Christian conversion is declining.

If people advocated not trusting Bush because he's a drunk, war-mongerer, or his affliliation with the Skulls and Bones, not to mention his families past, conservatives would be raising holy hell, and be quick to remind us how he has changed and is a "Christian", yet, these same people and their followers are quick to condemn people like Maddona, even though she has changed as well.

That is the definition of a hypocrit.