Mystique vs. Morph

[Oblivion]

I recently came across this topic/Face Off while during some research on Marvel - most people seemed to favor Morph just because of his powers, but I'm not so sure, what do you all think?

Mystique, a longtime villainess in the Marvel Universe and mother of the X-Men Nightcrawler and (foster mother to) Rogue, she is a powerful shapeshifter who has lived for over 100 years, led the third incarnation of The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, assassinated numerous public figures, and even worked with the X-Men on more than one occasion. Along with her shapeshifting powers, which not only allows her to take on the appearance of anyone she desires (right down to retina, vocal, and skin-pore patterns, among other things.), but also give her increased healing, age retardation, and immunity to ALL drugs and poisons, she is also a skilled hand to hand combatant who is adept at nearly all forms of conventional weaponry.

Although I don't know much about Morph, he is a mutant Omnimorph who, similar to Mystique, can shapeshift into anything he wants, although his powers seem to be much more advanced than hers. He can also fly, and - I read somewhere - has limited telepathic abilities. Considering he's made up of unstable molecules, his skin is much more resistant to physical damage than most.
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Personally, I'd pick Mystique. Although Morph seems to possess a superior shape-changing power to her own, she wouldn't have survived as long as she has if she hasn't been able to take down opponents more powerful than her. While Morph is less likely to be damaged by more physical means, Marvel has listed that he's much more susceptible to energy based attacks. Didn't Mystique wield some sort of gun that projected energy bursts at one point or another? If she'd be equipped with that, or any other energy projector, that coupled with her own superb marksmanship abilities would allow her to easily trump Morph in a battle, I think.

She seems much more intelligent and cunning than Morph, and I believe would be able to - maybe not overpower him - but at least out-wit him in a fight. Using her resourcefulness and strategic mind to formulate a plan to ultimately come out on top.

What about you all? Who do you think would emerge victorious? And why?

[Black King]

Are we talking the Exiles Morph or the 616 version??

The 616 i don't know too much about, the Exiles version i know is more powerful and has better shapeshifting powers. He can be hurt by cutting or slicing, has shown the ability to copy the physical aspects of the things he copies, and on his world hes an X-men and Avenger with the training and skill that implies.

I haven't seen much of Mystique using her powers offensive, more prefering firearms and weaponry. She seems more adapt at subterfuge and stealth than attacking with her powers. Morph from what i seen in battle has the superior skills to Mystique both offensively and defensively. He been able to shape shift out of the way of weapons and projectiles aimed at him and use his powers to create or turn himself into weapons and tools. (springs, swords, guns, wings and etc.) In an arena Morph will win heads on in battle, in a urban battle of stealth Mystique may win if she gets the drop on him. 8/10 Morph

[Jill Monroe]

Mystique has been SO watered down. The cartoons and the movies gave her MORE of the ferocity and power she used to have back in the 80's.

Mystique at one time was an OMNIMORPH and could turn into people, objects and animals. She was a vicious fighter, and although she didnt officially have "super strength" , she was often shown to deliver devastating physical blows that could even take down Wolverine and whip Colossus' head to the side (that was shown in the movies at least too)

Mystique is a tactician, an accomplished espionage agent, she is also proficient in the use of a variety of high powered fire arms and other antipersonell devices. She NEVER goes after a foe unprepared or unfamiliar with his/her abilities. That is why she was able to capture Magneto when the X-men NEVER could subdue him up to that time. She knows that even if SHE can't do the job completely herself, she can find someone willing and able to assist her in securing the victory and in that case it was Spiral or in other cases like sending antipersonell hawks against Angel to bring him down etc.

Mystique NEVER goes into battle without a plan and two or three backup plans. Her influence in the world of espionage and covert government activity would allow her to be more than prepared to deal with Morth in any number of ways and Mystique has no problem with KILLING. Her lethal instinct has allowed her to face down foes far more powerfull than her.

[Oblivion]

I don't follow the comics, really, so I don't know which version I was talking about, but from what you said, Black King, I'm pretty sure we're both thinking The Exiles version. All that I've learned about him is from Wikipedia and Marvel.com :blush:.

However, I'm still siding with Mystique on this one, for all the reasons Farrah stated and more. While Morph may have the more superior powers, Mystique has taken down many mutants that may at first seem to overshadow her in the power department. It takes more than powers to win a fight, and in this case, I believe Mystique's strategic mind and experience as an assassin, terrorist, etc. will ultimately tip the scales. It'd be a VERY interesting battle, and very close, but in the end I think Mystique would come out on top.

Even with Morph's ability to shapeshift out of the way of attacks, if he kept up dodging her strikes I think she'd be able to adapt and anticipate his defensive maneuvers, and therefore exploit them. It'd just be up to whether or not she'd be able to survive long enough before then.

[Black King]

Morph is an X-men and an Avenger, thats train and fought not only on his owrld but also across the multiverse from Demonically possessed Spider-men to a fully powered Galactus. Espionage training isn't going to prepare her for him. Besides hes from another dimension she doesn't have any way to prepare to face him unless we're giving out dossiers before the fight.

Firearms and Explosives don't effect Morph He just reconnects his body afterwards, if he doesn't shape shift out the way or into a form that can survive the explosion easier. He has super strength, Flight, doesn't need to eat or drink for weeks at a time. He also isn't limited like Mystique is by the make up of his body or his base mass.

Hes just as well trained as Mystique if not better and his powers are greater than hers. She has a shot but she has no shot of steam rolling this fight or taking a clear advantage. If she gets the drop on him she may be able to win but this is Morph's fight.

[Jill Monroe]

I don't follow the comics, really, so I don't know which version I was talking about, but from what you said, Black King, I'm pretty sure we're both thinking The Exiles version. All that I've learned about him is from Wikipedia and Marvel.com :blush:.

However, I'm still siding with Mystique on this one, for all the reasons Farrah stated and more. While Morph may have the more superior powers, Mystique has taken down many mutants that may at first seem to overshadow her in the power department. It takes more than powers to win a fight, and in this case, I believe Mystique's strategic mind and experience as an assassin, terrorist, etc. will ultimately tip the scales. It'd be a VERY interesting battle, and very close, but in the end I think Mystique would come out on top.

Even with Morph's ability to shapeshift out of the way of attacks, if he kept up dodging her strikes I think she'd be able to adapt and anticipate his defensive maneuvers, and therefore exploit them. It'd just be up to whether or not she'd be able to survive long enough before then.


mind you , today's current trend among self described comic book experts is that if they havent read it...it didnt happen. ignore 20 or more years of h istory, experience and only address the things a character has done in the last 5 years, or forget about the fact that characaters, now more than ever fall prey to the revolving door of writers, pencilers etc.

that's why i said she's watered down BADLY at this point. she went from being an omnimorph who was feared not only in government and espionage circles around the world, a woman who has taken down Sabretooth , Wolverine among others BY HERSELF to what you see today.

the cartoons and some of the movies gave h er elements of her glory days, but she's just not what she used to be. Classic Mystique kicks Morph's ass anyday. But true to form and history, if Mystique knows she cant get the person herself outright, she's going to get someone to assist her who can. SO she calls in Spiral, Polaris, Omega Sentinel or anyone ELSE she has employed/used with enough power and Morph is done.

[Black King]

the cartoons and some of the movies gave h er elements of her glory days, but she's just not what she used to be. Classic Mystique kicks Morph's ass anyday. But true to form and history, if Mystique knows she cant get the person herself outright, she's going to get someone to assist her who can. SO she calls in Spiral, Polaris, Omega Sentinel or anyone ELSE she has employed/used with enough power and Morph is done.

Wait i thought this was a straight battle between Mystique and Morph. Is outside help allowed??


Even with Morph's ability to shapeshift out of the way of attacks, if he kept up dodging her strikes I think she'd be able to adapt and anticipate his defensive maneuvers, and therefore exploit them. It'd just be up to whether or not she'd be able to survive long enough before then.

From what i seen of Morph i think in a battle of shape shifting he would come out on top. The feats of manipulating his own form is beyond what i see mystique do but i only known her in stories from the past few years. I personally don't think she will be able to keep Morph at bay for long enough that she be able to win. and his talents and experience on his own earth and part of the exile is more than a balance for her talents as a terrorist and assassin

[Rampage]

Mystique would win this by a slight plurality , I think. She is one of the foremost fighters in MU, and in her own series, managed to accomplish many feats that managed to increase her survivability, for example moving her internal organs to survive bullets while the bullets were in flight. She also uses specialized weaponry also that is not simply anti-personnel, but ant-metahuman.

I favor her 5/4 with 1 draw, lol

[The Doctor]

Morph would probably lose this one if Mystique made sure she had a really powerful energy-based weapon considering that Morph completly destabilizes if the energy source slamming into him is great enough (King Hyperion's eyeblasts kept him destablizied for the rest of the Timebreakers arc after part two was over) so as long as Mystique comes prepared with those types of weapons and hits him with the weapon set on its highest level then Morph would be out for the count and Mystique would be a winnah!