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Osiris
04-21-2005, 07:46 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/output/mitchell/cst-nws-mitch21.html

It's time for a black pope, but Europeans aren't ready

April 21, 2005

BY MARY MITCHELL SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

I'm disappointed. Well, as disappointed as a non-Roman Catholic can be. Not that I have anything against the new pope, Benedict XVI (in case you've been away from civilization for the past week, the 78-year-old German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger became the 265th pope of the Roman Catholic Church on Tuesday).

The event was surrounded by such a potent mixture of mysticism and celebration that it was as if we were all Roman Catholics for a day. This is a circumstance that captivated (and annoyed) non-Catholics.

Come on, not even a contentious U.S. national election or worldwide tragedy garnered more media attention than the passing of the beloved Pope John Paul II and the elevation of his successor, Benedict XVI.

And it just seemed to us non-Catholics that part of the public's perceived fascination with what was going on in Vatican City had more to do with America's near worship of European culture than it did with keeping the faithful informed on this side of the globe.

'It will be the end of the world'

For a brief moment, I actually thought Nigerian-born Cardinal Francis Arinze would be a shoo-in for the job. After all, who better to follow in the footsteps of John Paul II -- who ushered in a new spirit of global unity for Roman Catholics by leaving the Vatican and addressing the faithful on their soil -- than Arinze.

Making Arinze pope would have shocked the entire world.

But a day before the cardinals made their decision, a story reported by Agence France-Presse from Vatican City captured the festering problem confronting the cardinals.

Among those speculating on who would be the next pope was a 10-year-old girl named Francesca Colonna, attending mass with her mother and father.

"At school, they said that if a black pope is elected, the sun will crash on Earth, and it will be the end of the world," the girl told the reporter.

And a German priest noted that it "would be hard for Europeans to accept a non-European pope."

Even Arinze had said in interviews that the world "wasn't ready for a black pope."

What that means is that the Roman Catholic Church has gone backward. The most interesting fact to emerge from pope mania was that three black men, born in Africa, have ascended to lead the Roman Catholic Church: Pope Saint Victor I from 186 to 197; Pope Saint Miliades I (311-314) and Pope Saint Gelasius (492-496).

Desmond Tutu, the renowned South African Anglican bishop, had called on the cardinals to choose a black pope.

"The notion of a black pope is, to say the least, controversial, even though three Africans have been pope. It is not quite in the same league as a depiction of Jesus Christ as black. ... Nonetheless, a black pope could do more than break a color barrier -- he could facilitate a greater global understanding of a neglected part of our world: the so-called Third World," Tutu wrote April 18 in an opinion piece published in USA Today.

John Paul II used his power as a world religious leader to effect political change in his native Poland, and is credited with helping to bring down communism in that country. No pope had stepped into the middle of a political fray on a world stage before.

But here's the part that gives even non-Catholics spiritual shivers:

Given how things unfolded, you'd have to believe that John Paul II was chosen by something higher than the men casting ballots. At a time when it was needed most, John Paul II, with his intimate knowledge of the oppression his countrymen suffered under communism, became the leader of one of the most powerful religions in the world.

And he didn't wait for them to seek the gospel of liberty. He took the gospel of liberty to them.

Arinze, who was born in a hut in Nigeria, could have done the same for developing countries by using the papal platform to speak on behalf of the oppressed.

If not now, when?

These so-called Third World countries -- plagued by famine, wars, HIV-AIDS, and every pestilence known to man -- are the home of the despised people that the Gospels describe.

One of my girlfriends is a Nigerian-born immigrant and a devout Roman Catholic. I noticed she didn't say a word during the days leading up to the conclave. She seemed to have been resigned to the idea that the world isn't ready for a black pope.

But if not now, when?

When so many Europeans have abandoned the faith and embraced secularism that Vatican City becomes a tourist trap and historic Roman Catholic churches become as cold as tombs? Or when bishops and cardinals worldwide look out into a sea of brown and black faces rather than white ones?

Pope Benedict XVI, who described himself as a "humble worker in the vineyard of the Lord," will be embraced by black and white Roman Catholics alike because that is the way it should be.

Still, it's pretty clear, at least to this Baptist, that the Holy Spirit didn't get the final word.

Jill Monroe
04-21-2005, 08:02 AM
i too was sure that global history would be made as the first black pope ever in the history of the papacy would be elected. my mind raced at the thought of the impact that would have across the world...particularly on americans-- catholic and non catholic...as America is a country that is quite SICK with racism.

The ONE thing that i think wouldve been bad about electicing Nigerian-born Cardinal Francis Arinze would be the fact that it was reported that he might take a very negative hard line approach to women and gays. The catholic church still refuses to ordain women and although Pope John Paul promoted "tolerance of ALL peoples" ...his stance on homosexuality was clear..he condemned the "act" but not the person. Francis Arinze was said to have very dim views on "gay catholics".

anyone who knows me knows that i dont tolerate ANY kind of discrmination..especially towards women and although i am also very protective of my gay friends. I think it wouldve been kind of dangerous to have a pope that might have actually promoted the scrutiny and condemnation of a class of people (gays).

one thing is clear though...with the election of Pope Benedict XVI, the cardinals definately made sure NOT to elect another "youthfull" pope (John Paul II was 58 when he was elevated in 1978) into the position because it was reported they did not want another long reigning pope...John Paul II has now gone down in history as the 3rd longest reigning pope in the history of the papacy.

Caroline Forbes
04-21-2005, 02:33 PM
The criteria for choosing a Pope should not be skin color - you can't pick a black Pope just to pick a black Pope. That article just seems like a non-Catholic who wants to write an article about how archaic Catholics are. "I have a Nigerian friend therefore they shoudl have chosen a Nigerian Pope."

Jill Monroe
04-21-2005, 03:11 PM
The criteria for choosing a Pope should not be skin color - you can't pick a black Pope just to pick a black Pope. That article just seems like a non-Catholic who wants to write an article about how archaic Catholics are. "I have a Nigerian friend therefore they shoudl have chosen a Nigerian Pope."

obviously. but doesnt that show us all just how racist and/or fixated on skin color some people can be?? EVERYONE that was following this Conclave as updates became available had to know that one of the candidates for the papacy was black...and NEVERMIND what the qualifications this particular candidate had were...it suddenly became "possibility of a black pope".....oh the controversy and horror of it all!

personally , i think if he HAD been elected..it wouldve been a telling blow to the racists in THIS country that justify their skin color prejudice by using RELIGION as a platform..because then there wouldve been this black man in one of the highest religious seats in the world.

the article was right about one thing for sure...."the world was NOT ready for a black pope"....i dont think THAT observation there can be argued by anyone...catholic or non catholic.

Caroline Forbes
04-21-2005, 03:29 PM
obviously. but doesnt that show us all just how racist and/or fixated on skin color some people can be?? EVERYONE that was following this Conclave as updates became available had to know that one of the candidates for the papacy was black...and NEVERMIND what the qualifications this particular candidate had were...it suddenly became "possibility of a black pope".....oh the controversy and horror of it all!

I totally agree with you.

Thing is, and it's a shame but it's true, you don't want the good that a Pope can do to be stifled by his skin color.

Osiris
04-22-2005, 07:53 AM
The overall funny thing is that he would have been the 4th black pope not the first. After knowing this little known fact, I wonder to myself, what happened to the minds of the people between then and now, that it would be such taboo if Arinze would have been elected. To me, I think this proves one thing, that this "religious" event was had less to do with a Supreme Being and more to do with man and his politics.

Jill Monroe
04-22-2005, 10:49 AM
The overall funny thing is that he would have been the 4th black pope not the first. After knowing this little known fact, I wonder to myself, what happened to the minds of the people between then and now, that it would be such taboo if Arinze would have been elected. To me, I think this proves one thing, that this "religious" event was had less to do with a Supreme Being and more to do with man and his politics.

wow! he would NOT have been the first black pope?? i never knew of any others...and i remember that in one of my college history courses...we covered the history of the Papacy EXTENSIVELY. I wonder how i couldve forgotten that...:confused:

and regards to your very last statement...i couldn't agree more. History shows that the Papcy was really a powerful political entity centuries ago...and the Pope had as muchpolitical and social power if not MORE than kings and "presidents". SOME Popes would be TYRRANICAL in fact.

John Paul II was the only pope i saw up to THIS POINT in my life time and although I am not catholic...from what i did see of him...it appeared that he tried to keep the vatican and the papcy OUT of politics (as far as how some of the past popes used to use their position) ....this last pope seemed quite regal and elegant and would even voice his disapproval of the policies and actions of Bush and other world leaders.

Osiris
04-22-2005, 11:28 AM
There were 3 Popes known to be black:

http://www.holyangels.com/images/St-Benedict-the-Black.jpg (http://www.holyangels.com/St-Benedict-the-Black.htm)Pope St. Victor - Elected in 189 AD. He was deacon when he became Pope, a rarity then and now. He established a set date for the celebration of Easter yearly. He died a martyr for the faith in 199.


Pope St. Militiades - Reigned as Popefrom 311 - 314. He signed the emperor Constantine’s famous Edict of Milan in 313, ending the persecutions, and making Christianity the established religion of the empire. He was considered an excellent Pope, "a son of peace and father of Christians" according to St. Augustine.

Pope St. Gelasius - Reigned from 492 -496. Born in Rome, he was renowned for his holiness, kindness and scholarship. He saved Rome from famine, composed a book of hymns for church use, was renowned for his concern for the poor and clarified church teaching on the Eucharist.

Jill Monroe
04-25-2005, 09:09 AM
There were 3 Popes known to be black:

http://www.holyangels.com/images/St-Benedict-the-Black.jpg (http://www.holyangels.com/St-Benedict-the-Black.htm)Pope St. Victor - Elected in 189 AD. He was deacon when he became Pope, a rarity then and now. He established a set date for the celebration of Easter yearly. He died a martyr for the faith in 199.


Pope St. Militiades - Reigned as Popefrom 311 - 314. He signed the emperor Constantine’s famous Edict of Milan in 313, ending the persecutions, and making Christianity the established religion of the empire. He was considered an excellent Pope, "a son of peace and father of Christians" according to St. Augustine.

Pope St. Gelasius - Reigned from 492 -496. Born in Rome, he was renowned for his holiness, kindness and scholarship. He saved Rome from famine, composed a book of hymns for church use, was renowned for his concern for the poor and clarified church teaching on the Eucharist.

that amazing! i studied that particular period in history which Pope Militiades was in power--in fact in my European history course--we devoted quite a bit of study and discussion to the Papacy...and yet not even in COLLEGE did i remember hearing that he was black. Who HASNT heard of the Edict of Milan...now knowing that it was signed into power by a black Pope..thats a very interesting factoid. Thank you Osiris.

Osiris
04-25-2005, 10:42 AM
Who HASNT heard of the Edict of Milan

I havent, could you elaborate?

nevermind, I looked it up, but what do you find "interesting" about it?

Jill Monroe
04-25-2005, 10:45 AM
I havent, could you elaborate?

nevermind, I looked it up, but what do you find "interesting" about it?

well it ranks right up there with the Magna Carta in terms of important passages of law....but the Edict of Milan brought an END to the now legendary persecution of "Christians" in the Roman Empire(ie. the lions den and all that)....Emperor Constantine created it, and the Pople (who at that time had just as much ..if not MORE power than the Emperor of Rome) signed it, endorsed it. Back then the Catholic religion was the only accepted religion...and "Christians" were deemed heretics (among other things) and often tortured and put to death. So the Edict of Milan brought an end to that (though it wasnt instantaneous).