Marvel's mightiest morta?

[SiD]

Ok so im thinking, who do you people think is marvel's mightiest mortal?
For this we will leave out the abstract entities, watchers, celestials and all that cosmic riff, raff.

So come on people bring your 2 cents and lets hear. I'd like a reason why said character would be the mightiest of them all. Raw power? Intelligence? Wisdom? Cunning? Magical talent? Other abilities.

Later on im thinking maybe making a poll of this.

[Black King]

this is tied between the Sentry and Dr Strange.

The Sentry- strength of exploding stars stronger than every other hero. hes at least Herald of Galactus level if not higher. Hes only real weakness is his mental state and insanity.the only reason he never gets to show it cause no writer uses him.

Dr. Strange- all this guy needs is prep time and he has proven to capable of dealing with damn near anything. This guy has challenged being that powers equal god in their home dimensions (usually needing months of time to prepare) but he has done it and most people (and writers) also forget Dr. Strange has enchantments that shield his body from physical harm, and that he does not age and can not die unless under his own terms (having made a deal with Eternity which grants Stephen life as long as he wishes it so).

[The Doctor]

Those are pretty good choices BK but everyone knows that the Strongest Mortal on 616 is...the FORBUSH MAN!!! No really I am serious, when he removes his cast-iron pot he casts utterly realistic and hellish images into the minds of superhumans which has the potential to KILL them if they struggle too hard.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Forbushdefeated.jpg

[Rampage]

The strongest mortal is the Hulk. Hands down. The overall most powerful is much more dicey. I would argue that Sentry and Hulk have to be on the short list...

[Oracle]

Dr Strange? bah...to many people have raked him across the coals.

mightiest mortal.....hmmm

i really cant think of anyone. i'm drawing a blank so ill come back with an answer tomorrow at work but for damn sure i'm not giving Dr. Strange ANY credit when so many OTHER Magick users have left him in the dust.


<<blurts out>> BINARY!! :whistle:

ahh thats right...she's technically not around anymore :D

so i need time to mull of this before i offer my little answer.

[Rampage]

If Binary still technically existed she would have made my short list assuming she qualifies. I would classify her as possibly cosmic-level, which would exempt her for consideration...

[Jill Monroe]

not to stray off topic, but i just wanted to say..i ALWAYS wanted to see Binary face off against the Hulk. she beat Gladiator the hell down and OBLITERATED a character whose whole schtick was being able "to access the ultimate upper limit of a person's power potential" and when he found that SHE had no limit...she literally turned him into so much cosmic dust LOL.

but BACK on topic:

mightiest mortals?

Carol Danvers (even when NOT as Binary she's STILL one of the strongest WOMEN on Marvel Earth)

I dont really revel much in "strength" based characters (or discussions related) but i suppose i'd give my vote to the Hulk...he's kind of ridiculous as he is now lol and it would TAKE someone on the level of Binary, Roma or HIGHER to effectively deal with him.

[SiD]

Im proposing Black Bolt.
Say all you want, and yes apparently Hulk beat him. Now he knows, next time a whisper won't do it. Anyone her imagine what would happen in Black Bolt let a scream rip :D

Nova seems really powerful now as well. Im no expert though, but the whole Nova Force gotta count for something.

[Rampage]

Apparently he did, and it did no good to the Hulk...

[SiD]

Apparently he did, and it did no good to the Hulk...

You mean he let a scream rip at Hulk?

Somehow i have a difficult time seeing Hulk come back from that....If so it would take some time.

[Black King]

i give it to him simply because it was the opening of WWH but i don't thing at any other time should Black Bolt lose to anyone that isn't at least cosmic power level and even then he mid to upper rank

[Alycia Barnett]

You mean he let a scream rip at Hulk?

Somehow i have a difficult time seeing Hulk come back from that....If so it would take some time.

there IS one person who COULD take Black Bolt's scream and remain standing...and if you dont know who it is...then I'll enjoy sparking a frenzy of debate (though it has been shown already) by naming HER.

[SiD]

there IS one person who COULD take Black Bolt's scream and remain standing...and if you dont know who it is...then I'll enjoy sparking a frenzy of debate (though it has been shown already) by naming HER.

Could it be.... Dazzler? Or maybe Binary?

[Black King]

the day Dazzler survives Black Bolt's scream is the day i stop buying Marvel comics. Binary did it i think

[Jill Monroe]

Dazzler can and HAS survived Black Bolt's scream :nod: and she did it LONG before Binary did.

[Black King]

Dazzler can and HAS survived Black Bolt's scream :nod: and she did it LONG before Binary did.

how in the world did she manage that? BTW was it a scream or whisper

[Jill Monroe]

Black Bolt opened his mouth WIDE and aimed right at Dazzler. There is NO charted limit to the amount of sound she can absorb/transduce. It WILL brim from her body and cause her to glow like a roman candle if she takes in ALOT (witness when she absorbed all of the sound from a blaring stereo system in a hotel and NO ONE heard the sound but her)

but there's been NO 'on panel' limit shown to how much Dazzler can absorb.

[Black King]

That makes no sense Black Bolts voice is only quasi-sonic .theres still a unknown effect in the scream that she shouldn't have been able to adsorb.

[Jill Monroe]

well it happened, so dont hate. :rolleyes: Dazzler is plenty powerfull and was a one time herald of Galactus (shortly after she absorbed all that sound from Black Bolt) she's often underestimated but is VERY versatile in the use of her ability.

[SiD]

That makes no sense Black Bolts voice is only quasi-sonic .theres still a unknown effect in the scream that she shouldn't have been able to adsorb.

Maybe the quasi sonic element was retconned in later, if not mistaken the Dazzler and BB incident happened in her own series right? During the 80's? Right?

she's often underestimated but is VERY versatile in the use of her ability.

Right now it seems she has a Uncanny knack to return from the dead

[Jill Monroe]

yes it did happen in her own series but that doesnt change the fact that it IS one of her listed accomplishments. However BB's power is defined NOW, his power could NOT harm Dazzler.

and yes, I too noticed her ability to return from the dead ...about 3 or 4 times and counting now in the 2nd Excalibur series. If im not mistaken, that is supposed to be delved into?

[Black King]

not sure it keeps happening but they yet to do any read look into it. so far its just a running gag. as for Black Bolt's power not effecting her i'm not too sure bout that this is a guys who's voice managed to rip a hole in reality itself.

[SiD]

Dazzler might be strong, but she's not the mightiest there is. Her powers are especially good against opponents who use sonic attacks, but alot of others would stand triumphant in a fight with her.

Binary might have been one of the mightiest when she was at her peak, seeing how she took out a WHOLE planet of Brood. Thats a feat few others can boast of.

[Jill Monroe]

AND she stopped the sun from exploding ;)

[SiD]

AND she stopped the sun from exploding ;)

It was then she "lost" her Binary form right? I know she could do it later, but never keep the form for long right?

If he hasn't already been mentioned i'd like too mention Dr.Strange he can be one bad mofo, i guess so can most of those who are on Dr.Strange's level.
Margali Szardos maybe? Didn't she defeat Dr.Strange once? I have heard that her powers grow and weakens depending on certain factors, is this true???

[Black King]

she its part of this thing called the Winding Way it cause her powers to wane and wax kind of like the moon

[Jill Monroe]

yes, Binary long term injuries from stabilizing the sun (neither thor NOR the hulk can boast such a thing) and while she DID regain her power as Binary during Avengers vol III, they almost HAD to depower her because she wouldve out powered everyone on the team. she didnt NEED to be on a team while in FULL binary form but even at her current levels, she's still powerfull as hell and still possesses that unlimited potential and Dr. Strange (i wish Lawless were still here to back me up on this) was AFRAID of Magik.

Margali Zsardos has mopped the floor with Dr. Strange MORE than once. She's warped his spells and turned them BACK on him, she's wrested control of his most prized talisman from his posession.

Margali Zsardos subscribes to the path of the "winding way" which is a mystical ladder that dictates times of power and times of recession as the person makes their way to ultimate knowledge and understanding. She's CHEATED and ripped through the winding way on several occassions, one being when she obtained posession of the Soul Sword (during the misbegotten "Soul sword" trilogy storyline in excalibur). She murdered anyone who was AHEAD of her on the winding way and obtained their power and skill.

[Rampage]

Indeed, Binary is mighty and I would pay to see her and the Hulk go at it. The thing I see here is an unwillingness to understand that the Hulk has a varied power set.

First of all, he is not simply strong. He possesses strength, invulnerability and regeneration on levels not matched in the MU by any ONE individual. In addition he has the ability to tap into the intelligence of one of the foremost minds on Earth, an ability to adapt to harsh conditions, and a physiology that is enhanced by energy, not destroyed. In fact the Hulk has manipulated energy as if were a regular object and applied his muscles to break the applicable laws of physics.

So the Hulk is not simply strong. Colossus is strong. Thing is strong. The Hulk has the ability to transcend regular physical laws through the exercise of physical prowess and sheer will. There is no measurable limit to what he can physically accomplish.

[Jill Monroe]

oh i realize that he's far more than just a big green oaf. he's come a long way over the 40+ years he's been in print. I just had a delayed reflex against some of the "thor can do anything" mantra i used to see on MD...AND since I know you'd probably go so far as to see he could knock the earth out of orbit (:p) I had to include Hulk too. :D

I dont take away from him and i dont deny him because he's really moved beyond just being a character about "super strength" but unlike other beings such as PHOENIX (sigh) he's not turned into a crutch or a plot device and kept out of the center of things enough to keep him fresh and intriguing.

[Rampage]

That is one of the things I like about the Hulk. His evolution over time. The problem is that if you are not a regular Hulk reader, or if your get your Hulk fill in his spots on other books, you of ten see the misconceptions or the watered-down versions of him. In his book it helps to lay out how he is physically the pinnacle of what is possible. The neat thing is how that can cross over into so many other things. For example:

He has physically rejected energy from his body and handled energy as an object.

He has the ability to see ghost, astral, and cosmic forms. He also has ridiculous hand-eye coordination that helps him close the gap against speedier opponents and the ability to adapt as he goes, physically and mentally.