the punishment of men who abuse/kill their wives/children [Archive]

Jill Monroe

02-11-2005, 09:18 AM

Domestic violence is a long standing social ill of our society...we have the highest rate of occurrence for child abuse and spousal abuse world wide. During the 50's and 60's this was tolerable as long as it was kept "behind closed doors". In the 70's the feminist movement was the beginning of the fighting back against this but it really wasnt until the 80's...when "battered wife syndrome" was finally acknowledged by mental health experts as well as the courts, ALONG with the tragic case of Elisabeth Steinberg from Ohio in 1987 that it seemed America was willing to face this issue as a society. Laws were passed making it easier for women to seek protection from their abusers as well as allowing teachers, police and medical personnel to intervene on behalf of children who were being abused. Movies like “The Burning Bed” (based on a true story of a woman in Michigan, starring Farrah Fawcett) also gave a terrifying and heart wrenching face to this problem.

Statistics show that as of today, every 30 minutes, over 800 women and children are attacked by husbands/parents in a physically abusive way. In the case of women… case studies and statistics show if there is no intervention on her behalf or the man is not stopped…she WILL be killed. Cases like O.J. Simpson ;where clearly he got away with not only abusing his wife for many years but also got away with KILLING her make me wonder….is the PUNISHMENT given to abusers harsh enough? Should we seek the death penalty for men who have a pattern of violent abuse to their wives/girlfriends/children…and the result of that abuse is the death of the victim? I PERSONALLY think we should seek the death penalty in cases like this….what do you think?

Tempest

02-11-2005, 04:43 PM

Caroline Forbes

02-11-2005, 05:07 PM

What they need to do is bring back public executions lol - put the fear of punishment back into people...

Jill Monroe

02-11-2005, 07:00 PM

In most states the police won't do shit for you if there's no evidence of abuse...because really, anyone can say "i'm being abused, help me!" just to get their parent/partner in jail, which has made the law rather lax about these situations and it really just sucks.

I'm kinda sketchy on the death penalty...I mean I know it's harsh to just off them because of it even though they deserve it, but killing them isn't going to make the world stop abusing, nor will it help the "do not kill" lesson the government is trying to preach. Then again, life sentences doesn't help either as prisons are becoming vastly overflooded with criminals and prolonging the shortage of food problem. So either way, it's kind of a lose-lose situation but I believe they DO deserve a higher punishment that just like "3 years in jail, then you can go free to mass murder more little children because we think you've learned your lesson already"...yeah, that's just stupid to me lol.

what states are you referring to amy? here in michigan alone...if someone calls 911 for a domestic violence situation and the police arrive...SOMEONE is going to jail. The same thing in Texas (according to a friend of mine that lives out there)

i dont think we'll ever truly rid the world of its various social ills...but taking a stronger, hardline approach to this would definately deter people like O.J. Simpson or this man here in detroit named Bernard Kelly, who last year,BEAT his 3 year old daughter to DEATH because he didnt want to have to pay child support! how DEPRAVED and SICK is that? Michigan does not have the death penalty but if ever there were a time to adopt that in this state..i think THAT case would certainly be as good as any. Bernard Kelly's sentencing was just handed down last month...but even though he was found guilty of first degree murder and all other charges...for several of the charges he was convicted of, he'll receive life in prison...and two of those life sentences are with out the possibility of parole..and for the weapons charge he was found guilty of (he shot two daycare workers intending to kill them before he killed his daughter) he gets another 2 year sentence. instead of WASTING tax payers dollars on a man who has NO remorse..i think we should KILL HIM!

Men like him, OJ Simpson and others...who do these things and think they can get away with them need to be shown that its intolerable. every thirty minutes...800 women are attacked...i dont know the exact statistic for children...but its probably worse. The death penalty for those who kill their children/spouses by way of domestic violence would SURELY send a message to others across the country who are guilty of the same thing.

Tempest

02-11-2005, 07:34 PM

what states are you referring to amy? here in michigan alone...if someone calls 911 for a domestic violence situation and the police arrive...SOMEONE is going to jail. The same thing in Texas (according to a friend of mine that lives out there)

California, not in all of texas - some cities hold to the proof rule, arizona does it, oregon, and a few others. It's a commonly abused law, just like sexual harassment in the work office has become abused over the years...people threatening just for the hell of it or for blackmail. I think the rate for children is something like 1800+, i remember it's really high.

And lmao Vil, that would sure send a message all right lol.

Jessica Hamby

02-11-2005, 08:29 PM

I for one.... think domestic abuse is the LOWEST of low... and I despise the people who try to excuse it by saying 'oh well they were abused themselves, they cant help it'

the HELL they can't. the choice to ABUSE your wife or children... is THEIRS to make. The idea that men routinely get away with this kind of thing..... makes my skin crawl and infuriates me to no end. I am a strongwilled woman...... if a man ever hit me.... I'd leave him... if he tried to make a HABIT of it... i'd likely KILL him... but that's just me. Ive seen these trials of women who have killed their husbands/boyfriends in self defense, being charged with MURDER... it sickens me that they are prosecuting women when if the POLICE had done something... it could have been prevented.

These men.... they dont DESERVE to be out in society, inflicting physical and psychological pain on other people... prison doesn't SOLVE this type of depravity... but I dont believe prison solves much of ANYTHING.... rapists, murderer, and the men who abuse their wifes/girlfriends and children.. these people dont STOP, even after prison... they wait... or they dont get caught for a while. the death penalty sends a strong message...

Shadowsfall

02-11-2005, 09:01 PM

Illinois and Lousianna are really bad about protecting abused women. They have no problem with trying to take your kids away though if they think they're being abused. But if you're an abused woman in IL or LA then you're fucked. My mom's ex husband was abusive toward her and the cops were called several times for it, but in Lousianna they'd arrest him and seem to let him go the same night. In IL the cops would come out and basically warn him. They didn't seem to care that my mom was getting abused. So I see what Tempest is saying about them not doing shit for you. Even in states where there's a law that they will take someone to jail, it doesn't always work out that way.

I don't think that there should be a death penalty for it though... as much as I would LOVE to see my mom's ex die for all the shit that he put my family through. But I definitely agree that there should be more then just a slap on the wrist and being told not to do it again. I think that, in anything involving the death penalty, it's too much like an easy out. A man kills someone and gets the death penalty, he doesn't have to spend the rest of his life dealing with the consequences of his actions. Make them sit in prison for the rest of their life...

ZorCrow

02-11-2005, 09:56 PM

Shadowsfall

02-11-2005, 10:19 PM

As I have said before, I am not for abortion, war or the death penalty. So I say no death penalty for wife beaters. Look women abuse their husbands as well should they be given the death penalty? I mean come on, it's assault they should be charged with assault and the woman should get out of the trouble of the relationship. A lot of men have gotten physical with their wives during the course of a marriage it doesn't mean they are wife beaters. A lot of wives have assaulted their husbands.

I am not for spousal abuse, but what folks need to do is be careful about the people they marry or enter relationships with, and folks need to get out of those relationships and get conseling. Also, how come you have to consel a woman to leave an abusive man but they leave good man at the drop of a penny?

Life don't make sense sometimes. . .

Sometimes it isn't as easy as just "getting out of the trouble of the relationship." And you can't predict how your relationship is going to be forever. In over 85% of domestic violence cases, the relationship starts out as a normal relationship would. Getting out of an abusive relationship depends on the circumstances of the relationship. Sometimes it is just as easy as packing up your shit and leaving, but other times, the other person doesn't always seem to want to let them go. It's usually about control in abusive relationships, the man (or woman) think that they have complete control over their partner and when they realize that they don't, they get abusive to give themselves back that control. When their partner tries to leave, that's definitely a loss of their control and they fell that they can't lose that so they go to extremes to keep their control.

If you try to leave an abusive relationship once and you're husband/wife/whatever nearly kills you while you're in the process and the system isn't really doing much to help you out... are you really going to keep trying? I realize that it sounds stupid for someone to stay in a relationship like that and everyone always seems to say "well why didn't you just leave?" but until you're actually in a situation like that or you have to live with someone else in a situation like that then it's hard to comprehend exactly why the person stays.

Foxfire

02-11-2005, 10:35 PM

I'm all about justice so of course I say yay to the death penalty. In fact, I'd love to have all the prison beat the shit out of them!

I myself have been a victim of abuse, although its my own private secret except for Jess who I've told. I had an abusive ex who was mentally and once in a great while physically abusive. I put up with EVERYTHING and for what?! To have such low self esteem, which in turn....forced me into self injury aka cutting. Again, another secret of mine, I'd take a shard of glass and run it into my forearms. I did it because I felt like I deserved to be hurt for my crimes, when in fact I did nothing wrong. My ex would even try and ISOLATE me from my friends and family. And being naive I went along with it. I was stronger but I allowed my ex to have such....power over me. Looking back I don't know why I did it, but at the time I thought I needed my ex, not wanting to be alone.

I didn't realize it until one night my ex shoved me off the bed and I smacked the back of my skull on the dresser. And my ex just LAUGHED! No, "are you okay?" Nothing....I knew that wasn't a relationship at all, this was when I was 19.

My mother was in an abusive relationship before she met my Dad. My older brother's father, DonSr., a marine who was insane. He did everything to my mother, kicking her when she was pregnant with my brother and even....placing a gun to her head and pulling the trigger. Luckily there was no bullets, that is until he fired again at the ceiling and this time a bullet went through the ceiling. My mother left him and to this day doesn't take shit from anyone!

My mother and I have each grown from our personal experiences and now neither one of us don't take any shit. I guess that's why I explode at everyone....even the small trivial things. I still have faint scars on my arms from the cutting. I remember wearing long sleeve shirts in the summer, I really was a mess.....I can't believe I'm telling this, but this board is like home to me and so I feel comfortable.

Anyway though, I've grown and I no longer, "cut" or anything. And my current partner, Rogue aka Jessica treats me like a Princess. But there are times when I do something wrong, I feel like I should be punished. It'll always be there with me.

But anyway I feel that abusive people need to be put to death for the pain and misery they put us through. I fully believe in an eye for an eye.

ZorCrow

02-12-2005, 11:06 PM

Sometimes it isn't as easy as just "getting out of the trouble of the relationship." And you can't predict how your relationship is going to be forever. In over 85% of domestic violence cases, the relationship starts out as a normal relationship would. Getting out of an abusive relationship depends on the circumstances of the relationship. Sometimes it is just as easy as packing up your shit and leaving, but other times, the other person doesn't always seem to want to let them go. It's usually about control in abusive relationships, the man (or woman) think that they have complete control over their partner and when they realize that they don't, they get abusive to give themselves back that control. When their partner tries to leave, that's definitely a loss of their control and they fell that they can't lose that so they go to extremes to keep their control.

If you try to leave an abusive relationship once and you're husband/wife/whatever nearly kills you while you're in the process and the system isn't really doing much to help you out... are you really going to keep trying? I realize that it sounds stupid for someone to stay in a relationship like that and everyone always seems to say "well why didn't you just leave?" but until you're actually in a situation like that or you have to live with someone else in a situation like that then it's hard to comprehend exactly why the person stays.

Good Response. I disagree Folks leave folks everyday who aren't in abusive relationships. But you are right it's a lot more complex than that. It's like telling a drunk "stop drinking."

Lauren Collins

02-14-2005, 08:28 PM

Short post.

I definitely don't think it's right at all for men to do that... I mean, who would? Also, a woman somewhere gets physically abused by her husband/partner every 9 seconds. I think that was right. Either 6 or 9. Saw it on a Lifetime movie. haha.

But then again, I'm anti death penalty for everyone. I just don't think it should be our right to decide who gets to live and die. We're all equal, and I don't think any human should be in charge of another's fate. Plus, life in prison is so much worse than death to me. Death is like letting them off easy. I would much rather die than spend my whole life in utter horror and/or seclusion.

Shadowsfall

02-14-2005, 08:51 PM

Good Response. I disagree Folks leave folks everyday who aren't in abusive relationships. But you are right it's a lot more complex than that. It's like telling a drunk "stop drinking."

Every break-up depends upon the situation for it, but I get what you're saying. If you just leave someone just because you feel like leaving them then it's a really lame excuse.

MirandaThePanda

02-14-2005, 08:57 PM

I think abusive men need to be taken out, sodomized, and shot.

Any man who beats on a woman is not a man. And all the women who are in jail for shooting thier husbands and boyfriends because they were getting beat up I say they should go free.

Jessica Hamby

02-14-2005, 09:02 PM

But then again, I'm anti death penalty for everyone. I just don't think it should be our right to decide who gets to live and die. We're all equal, and I don't think any human should be in charge of another's fate. Plus, life in prison is so much worse than death to me. Death is like letting them off easy. I would much rather die than spend my whole life in utter horror and/or seclusion.

Yes... and while you DO raise a good point.... the fact of the matter is... our penitentiaries are getting more and more crowded as we speak.... and with BUSH spending the nation's money like its GOING OUT OF STYLE.... we cant really AFFORD to feed, clothe and provide living space for these criminals for the rest of their lives. Rapists, murderers, child molesters... some of these bastards dont DESERVE to spend the rest of their lives reminiscing about what they've done. I'm sick of the self-righteous bullshit: "If we kill them, we'll be as bad as they are" HORSESHIT. If we kill em.... we'll be better off without them.... and that's one more abusive bastard we dont have to support with our taxes for the rest of his life.

Jill Monroe

02-15-2005, 10:14 PM

people can wax philisophical and idealistic on this topic in the name of "human rights" and "equality" and some flawed idea of justice....but if you live through this, know someone who has gone through or LOST someone to domestic violence.....your tune WILL change.

go research the case of Elisabeth Steinberg from 1987...read about how her father mercilessly beat the hell out of her, burned her with cigarettes, starved her, locked her in a closet...and ultimately KILLED her. Read about O.J. Simpson and how when the police came to his house while he was BEATING Nicole Brown..instead of helping her...they asked HIM for autographs! EVERY 30 minutes...800 women in this country are attacked by their husbands, boyfriends or a man in their life......and the same applies for children.

men like this..do NOT DESERVE equality of the law. when a man kills a woman or a child through physical abuse/assault..HE needs to be killed himself. TO HELL with the "killing makes us no better than them" argument. TELL THAT to the person who DIED by the hands of the monster who beat them to death!

Bernard Kelly...the bastard here in detroit who beat his 3 year old daughter to death..CRUSHED HER SKULL ...ALL because he didnt want to pay child support. are you telling me HE doesnt deserve to die? "thinking about what he did" isnt apt punishment..because he has no remorse. he didnt CARE and he's not going to care. and so now...michigan tax payers will waste millions of dollars to keep this wretch alive in prison..while "human rights" advocates lobby for him to get television, the right to get a degree in prison and whatever else. IS THIS a fair punishment for a man who crushed his daughter's skull?? as she screamed and cried in pain wondernig why her father did this!? i think NOT!

men who are abusers need to be checked before they kill...BUT since most of them are not (even with the reforms in laws today) then those who kill a woman or child because of it...need to be killed themselves...to hell with the moral high ground....sometimes the BEST justice..is VENGEANCE and these men ALWAYS think they will get away with what they did....that somehow they had a RIGHT to do this. someone needs to show the error of their ways...by purging them of their existence.

Timeless Beautie

04-28-2005, 04:25 PM

My opinion on men who beat women or children is... I have mixed opinions. My dad use to beat my mom when I was a little girl and it took a whole team of cops to drag him off of her once. Now I love my dad and he's never layed a hand on me (He be dead in the next 24 hour if he did... I've got to many male figures in my life who would go after him if he did). Since then he took anger management classes and has learned how to control his rage. But that's not always the case.... underneath of it all my dad was a good man and he had a conscience, but then like Spellbinder said some men have no conscience and that guy cared more about himself then the innocent life of his daughter. I under no circumstances think that it's okay to hit women or children. If I have sons I'll beat the living day lights out of them if I hear they ever hit a child or their wives or girlfriends. They'll know better. I dunno where I stand on the subject. My dad was redeemed so I really don't know.

ZorCrow

04-28-2005, 06:57 PM

Mr. I under no circumstances think that it's okay to hit women or children.

I totally disagree with that logic. You have to defend yourself,
if some woman is going to shoot me or my partner (I am in law enforcement) I would have to use force to stop her, the same for kids. Also if a person is attacking me, I don't discriminate, race, creed, color, origin, religion, or gender they are getting stopped.

We have to realize that children also should be spanked for corrective and discipline measures, but not abused. Too much liberal thinking has ruined our society, when more Americans spanked kids we didn't have columbines nor teens killing their parents at the same rate.

Timeless Beautie

04-28-2005, 07:28 PM

I know men who are scared shitless to hit a woman. My ex boyfriend said he'd rather get his ass kick then hit a woman. But I agree to you to some degree.... I believe self defense is a valid reason, but my point was it wrong when they cross the line. And spanking children is okay if your choice.... but when you leave a mark or bruise I consider it abuse. When I was about 10 my mom let a family friend and his family move in with us for a period of time. When he would discipline his daughter he'd belt them until they're bottoms were black and blue. And most of the things they did weren't that bad. My mom had to put her foot down and tell him that he needed to check his temper before disciplining his daughters. I think that's wrong. One smack is enough, but when you leave a mark it's a whole different story.

MorningStar

04-29-2005, 12:59 AM

We have to realize that children also should be spanked for corrective and discipline measures, but not abused. Too much liberal thinking has ruined our society, when more Americans spanked kids we didn't have columbines nor teens killing their parents at the same rate.

I disagree. The more you hit children the worse the relationship between you and your child gets, and the more they rebel. My mother made the mistake of trying to hit me. What she got was a slap right back, and a disobedient child for the next week. If she'd have tried to REASON with me instead of being brute and animalistic, then I would have reacted civlly in kind. Peoples' mistake is to assume that children are animals who can't understand anymore than violence. In actual fact parents should try to build up a friendly relationship between their children and NOT beat them and drive a wedge between them. Then there'd be no NEED to hit the men since they would never have laid a hand on their child in the first place.

FtpIt

04-29-2005, 03:27 PM

what states are you referring to amy? here in michigan alone...if someone calls 911 for a domestic violence situation and the police arrive...SOMEONE is going to jail. The same thing in Texas (according to a friend of mine that lives out there)

i dont think we'll ever truly rid the world of its various social ills...but taking a stronger, hardline approach to this would definately deter people like O.J. Simpson or this man here in detroit named Bernard Kelly, who last year,BEAT his 3 year old daughter to DEATH because he didnt want to have to pay child support! how DEPRAVED and SICK is that? Michigan does not have the death penalty but if ever there were a time to adopt that in this state..i think THAT case would certainly be as good as any. Bernard Kelly's sentencing was just handed down last month...but even though he was found guilty of first degree murder and all other charges...for several of the charges he was convicted of, he'll receive life in prison...and two of those life sentences are with out the possibility of parole..and for the weapons charge he was found guilty of (he shot two daycare workers intending to kill them before he killed his daughter) he gets another 2 year sentence. instead of WASTING tax payers dollars on a man who has NO remorse..i think we should KILL HIM!

Men like him, OJ Simpson and others...who do these things and think they can get away with them need to be shown that its intolerable. every thirty minutes...800 women are attacked...i dont know the exact statistic for children...but its probably worse. The death penalty for those who kill their children/spouses by way of domestic violence would SURELY send a message to others across the country who are guilty of the same thing.

Keep this in mind...people who commit crimes like this probably are not in a rational state of mind but an irrational state of mind. People snap all the time for many reasons such as neglect or abuse during their childhood, having a psychological disorder that makes them more aggressive and violence by nature and having a "Nervous Breakdown" (major depression disorder). When these people go over the deep edge, thinking about the consequences of their actions is the furthest thing on their mind...they are in KILL/HURT mode and could give an "F" about someone even if they are a child or woman. When they are finally caught and sitting behind bars for life or sitting behind bars waiting for their turn in the electric chair, maybe then they will be able to process what they've done. But without some psychological help I don't think that remorse is at the top of their list. I wish that sending a message like that would work but I think people have become impervious to such a message.

DonDaddyD

04-29-2005, 04:47 PM

Right this is gonna sound silly but obviously I don't tolerate guys that hit women. And after my Mum recently hit me (couple years back lol - I think I broke the stereo or something - I was shown a belt) I have to say I won't tolerate Women that abuse men. If you hit chidren that is pathetic. I can't see any reason why you would physically harm someone for the purposes of exerting your pressence over them. However I was a hard headed kid and sometimes my Mum (especially) use to hit me as punishment whereas my friends ran riot over their Mums when and how is it ok to hit children?

This may seem childish but also hitting can be intended as playful pain and interpretated as wrong by the other party how can we gague what is right and wong surely it is down to the idividuals?

Caroline Forbes

04-29-2005, 04:54 PM

Though I'm not sure how I feel about spanking children, I think there's a difference between disciplining and hurting a child.

DonDaddyD

04-29-2005, 05:37 PM

Dude speak to many Mums children often cry after a beating cos it hurts (I know) it's still discipline despite being extreme so where does one draw the line?

Caroline Forbes

04-29-2005, 06:17 PM

(Did you just "dude" me? ;)) That's what I'm saying - if it hurts that bad it's too much. The child should not be hurt by a spanking - when you get to it being a beating, that's too far. This is just my 11 cents.

:)

DonDaddyD

04-30-2005, 07:20 AM

Dude=Figure of speech-sorry.

I don't think I made myself clear on this, spanking children is always a grey area because the nature of a spanking is to physically punish/hurt the child. This could quite easily be considered a beating. Obviously if a child is coming out with bruises then that child is being abused. But it doesn't stop the fact that a spanking can be mistaken for as a beating.

Some children won't listen and often a spanked bottom is the last resort for many parents but this is intended to physically hurt the child in my eyes, so is that physical abuse? A spanking is pointless if it doesn't hurt and the end result of many spankings is for a child to cry so I'm just confused as whether it is abuse or not.

Thinking about my childhood now I think I got hit once and then the fear of me getting the belt was fear enough. My Mum never used it.

But anyway... it has to be admitted that when it comes to children and spanking their is a real big grey area as to what is acceptable and what isn't.

Greatness

08-19-2005, 02:33 PM

I say if you beat your wife or your kids, and I mean beat them not just spank your kids. Than you should be beaten by a swat team like you killed 10 cops. If you kill you wife or kids you should be tourtured and shot on site.

I guess thats a little forward but there is no reason for a man to hit a woman or abuse his kids. There is a fine defined line between abuse and disapline.

Mat

08-19-2005, 06:40 PM

My views on physical violence have changed somewhat in the last few weeks. What could cause a peace-loving guy like me to condone certain levels of violence against children you might ask?

My roommates two fucking kids moved-in.

One of them is 4 and normally well-behaved. The other one is 2 and as I put simply to my roommate "he's a dick."

"Mat, he's only 2."

"He's still a dick."

*laughs*

"Yeah...you're right."

I think that if an adult shows a kid violence can be used, that they themselves can use it. But every night this two-year old refuses to go to bed, whining and disobeying over and over again until finally, my roommie spanks him about three times and makes him go to bed. After his minute of crying/whimpering, he falls asleep.

This is apparently how my roommate dealt with his 4 year old, who is now a very nice young boy who knows the difference between rough housing and actual physical violence, so I don't think the occassional spanking will have detrimental effects later on in life. Discipline is one thing, sadistic violence against a child is another matter entirely. When I watch the news and see these unequivocable sickos who prey on children and women, sometimes it seems like maybe I'd be better off quitting my day job and just cleaning house Boondock Saints style.

In short, I think violence should always be used as the final option. But I think that it's good to have that option.

Jill Monroe

08-19-2005, 08:42 PM

Osiris

08-19-2005, 11:48 PM

This is an easy one, start cutting heads, I mean hands and penises off and see how eager one is to use such instruments for vile purposes...

Mat

08-21-2005, 03:49 AM

so let me get this straight...your telling me you think its okay to beat a woman or a child? im not talking about discipline like what Greatness said, im talking about attacking a woman or child out of frustration and anger and hitting them with your FISTS etc.

and if you DO think that....have you DONE IT before?? :sure:

No, I think it's okay to discipline. I would never hit a child or a woman with my fists, nor have I ever even hit a woman or child in any way, shape, or form.

Jacob Black

08-21-2005, 05:06 PM

I have an interesting question for the women though in this topic? What about the punishment of women who abuse/kill their husbands/children? Do you feel the same way or are you more likely to feel sorry for a Woman who kills her family than a man?

Jill Monroe

08-31-2005, 07:12 AM

not to ignore your question Prophet, (as im just now revisiting this topic) as for women killing their husband via abuse? well while i know that there are women who abuse their husbands (though most of these cases go unreported..for the obvious ego reason) im not aware of any cases of women KILLING their husbands as the result of the abuse. Most cases i've seen...women are murdering their husbands as the result of the HUSBAND raping/abusing/cheating on them.

but if we look at this thread here: http://www.screen-gems.net/showthread.php?p=10380#post10380

i think this just reaffirms my argument why men who abuse children and end up KILLING THEM because of it need to be FLOGGED and then SHOT.

mrfolson

11-13-2005, 02:04 AM

They should make a law where if a man is caught abusing his spouse and kids, he should be fined a large amount of currency, and I will let you women determine how much that is. This is the first offence. The second offence is that he should get so many years in prison, and again ladies, I leave that to you to determine how long he stays in prison. There will be no third offence, because by then, it may be too late for the spouse and children.

Funny this is coming from me, because I'm a man, but I was raised to respect women. I mean, a man and a woman will always have thier differences, but that doesn't give the man the right to abuse her in any fashion, or the children :mad: especially the children :mad:

Jacob Black

11-16-2005, 02:37 AM

I would never have just a fine or something... that just leaves them room to abuse again!

Jessica Hamby

11-16-2005, 07:29 AM

Lets be perfectly CRYSTAL clear here... its NEVER okay to hit a woman. EVER. Not under any circumstances. Men are physically bigger and stronger than women [most of the time].... and men hitting women is the equivalent of a 10th grader beating up on a little kid... its nowhere NEAR a fair fight.

DISCIPLINING children IS a bit of a gray area, but there is a huge difference between spanking and beating. Spanking is designed to be painful, otherwise it would be ineffective as a punishment. I was spanked many a time when i was a young child... and believe me, it works. I PERSONALLY would reserve spanking for the more serious offenses... and i cringe when people hit/spank their kids in public. that's in such poor taste it makes me want to SLAP that person. My parents found [to my dismay] that a much MORE effective punishment is grounding the child from doing things he/she likes to do. Tv, video games, playing outside, computer, etc.

I cannot think of a severe enough punishment for men who hit their wives and abuse their children.

I also cannot think of a punishment severe enough for men who RAPE women and children... though I can think of several things I would like to do to said men.

Jill Monroe

11-16-2005, 07:50 AM

i think a financial penalty IN ADDITION TO other more harsh punishments[flogging, PRISON terms , execution] might drive the point home that its not okay to hit a woman or a child. i also think there needs to be an abuser registry like what they have for sex offenders.

part of the problem is that there is no real LONG STANDING method of making a man's life MISERABLE when he is found to be an abuser and thats something that needs to happen. have him exposed, embarrased, black balled, AND hit him in his pockets. for example if he causes disfigurement to his wife or child that requires reconstructive surgery then HE should be required BY LAW to pay the cost of surgery and anything that comes with that. His job needs to be notified .....so that the WOMEN THERE can know what kind of man he is...and if he is a law enforcement official, he needs to be FIRED and have his pension revoked. wtf kind of shit is it to have a man who is supposed to protect and serve but at the same time he's brutalizing his wife?! who is SHE supposed to turn to? ANOTHER police officer who is going to show defference to the man because they both wear a badge?

i think that there ARE some things that should be done to a man to impact his life if he is an abuser. I DONT CARE WHAT HIS "EXCUSE" is. I'm not suggesting that any of these things are ENOUGH of a punishment...but i feel they should be ADDED ON to mandatory PRISON time, and i still think that flogging should be a punishment given to men who abuse women/children.

but at the same time, Titania's statements resonate in my soul because I've been in a situation where i had a dear friend being abused by her boyfriend and in one instance it happend outside in front of there house just as i was pulling up. i LOST IT as i practically RAN HIM DOWN with my car.....and you know what? I'd do it AGAIN if i had the chance.

mrfolson

11-19-2005, 02:31 AM

And you know wut Spellbinder, I'll run his ass over right after you run his ass over.:mad: Maybe all sex offenders and women beaters need to be thrown in a cage with a 400 pound angry gorilla for 24hrs :hehe: Yes I am serious, especially when it comes down to children, then, thats when you add 2 angry ass gorillas. :hys: I'm still serious.

Jessica Hamby

11-19-2005, 07:14 AM

And I think you should, and with conviction, because you know what? I would too. In FACT... I once went with a good friend of mine to a birthday party for one of her friend/former boyfriends... and all night i couldnt figure out exactly why she seemed a *little* tense near him.... when I finally got her to tell me that he THREW her down the stairs after finding out she was legally married [she hadnt had the wedding ceremony yet but b/c of time constraints they went ahead and got married legally]... she had to drag me away for fear I would BRUTALIZE the boy at his own BIRTHDAY party. She feared right.... I would have beat the shit out of that little bastard.... i couldve taken him, LOL

Nerull

01-24-2006, 11:42 AM

I woulda been right behind ya T. I cannot stand bullies, abusers or any other form of person that uses their own miniscule amount of power or fear for their own gain or intimidation and violence against those who can't or won't deefnd themselves. :vamp: :mad: :rant:

Clairvoyance

01-25-2006, 03:02 AM

Abuse of any kind to any INNOCENT person or animal is wrong, but the death penalty only lets them off easy. I believe that numerous men [or possibly women] are out there in the world beating their children and wives [or husbands] without authorities being involved once so ever. That is what I call ‘totally wrong’. Their sick :censored: es need to me in jail FOR LIFE…trust me, being locked up for even ONE day can seem like forever. Imagine if they DID have to go through with that forever. The only problem that everyone would come across there are those sneaky lawyers who find loop holes to get criminals out of jail. That is unfair and unjust….but sometimes there’s no way to stop them.

Perhaps if men had a little more R.E.S.P.E.C.T for women [and vice versa, of course] this would NEVER happen. Especially to those poor children. Anyone that can hurt an child must be tortured, beaten, sent to bed without supper, sent to JAIL forever…but killing them will only show that they’ve one. Then they don’t have to serve the time for their crime if they’re DEAD.